Rolling hoop hit with impulse. Find angle of deflection and max force.

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The problem involves a child's hoop of mass M and radius b that rolls in a straight line and is subjected to an impulse I at right angles to its direction of motion. The discussion focuses on determining the angle of deflection \phi and the conditions under which the gyroscope approximation holds, particularly in relation to the peak applied force F.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the direction of the impulse and its effect on angular momentum, with one participant attempting to relate the impulse to the angle of deflection using small angle approximations. Questions arise regarding the definition and implications of the "gyroscope approximation" in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning, while others provide feedback on the correctness of the attempts. Guidance is offered regarding the interpretation of the gyroscope approximation, with references to external resources for clarification. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of assumptions such as neglecting friction with the ground and the conditions under which the gyroscope approximation is considered valid. The participants also note the need for clarity on specific terms that may not be defined in their course materials.

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Homework Statement



A child's hoop of mass M and radius b rolls in a straight line with velocity v. Its top is given a light tap with a stick at right angles to the direction of motion. The Impulse of the blow is I.

a. Show that this results in a deflection of the line of rolling by angle \phi = I/Mv, assuming that the gyroscope approximation holds and neglecting friction with the ground.

b. Show that the gyroscope approximation is valid provided F << \dfrac{2Mv^2}{b}, where F is the peak applied force.

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know for sure the direction of the impulse but assuming it is to the side, that would be the 'angular impulse' would be Ib in the direction perpendicular to the angular momentum Mbv of the wheel, so \tan\phi = Ib/Mbv = I/Mv ≈ \phi. The last part using the small angle approximation.

For b. I would assume that since \phi << 1, therefore Fdt << Mv.

I don't know if any of my attempt is correct.

Edit: if instead I approximate the impulse by a triangle height F and base dt, then the impulse would be \dfrac{Fdt}{2}.
 
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For part a, I think your work is correct.

For part b, you need to find the meaning of the phrase "gyroscope approximation". I don't think it means ##\phi << 1##. If this is not defined in your text or notes, then try a web search.
 
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TSny said:
For part a, I think your work is correct.

For part b, you need to find the meaning of the phrase "gyroscope approximation". I don't think it means ##\phi << 1##. If this is not defined in your text or notes, then try a web search.

Ok so I checked online as it isn't in my book and it means \Omega &lt;&lt; \omega and that they are nearly constant. If I use my expression for impulse along with \phi &lt;&lt; \omega dt = \dfrac{v}{b}dt then I get the right answer.

Thanks for the tip and I hope this is correct.
 
OK, good. I think that's right.
 

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