Rolling Rod in a Magnetic Field

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the motion of charged ions in a magnetic field, specifically focusing on the relationship between their masses and the radii of their paths after being accelerated by a potential difference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss deriving expressions related to circular motion and centripetal force, questioning how to relate the masses of the ions based on their respective radii and velocities.

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Some participants have provided guidance on deriving relationships between the variables involved, while others have expressed uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations. There is acknowledgment of progress made by one participant who eventually solved the problem independently.

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Edit: The title is misleading because I initially was going to ask a different question.

Homework Statement


A singly charged ion of mass m is accelerated from rest by a potential difference ΔV. It is then deflected by a uniform magnetic field (perpendicular to the ion's velocity) into a semicircle of radius R. Now a triply charged ion of mass m' is accelerated through the same potential difference and deflected by the same magnetic field into a semicircle of radius R' = 6R. What is the ratio of the masses of the ions?

Homework Equations


W = qV
L = mvr

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that V stays the same in each instance, but I am not sure how exactly to relate the masses. Thanks for any help.
 
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You need to derive an expression of circular motion caused by the centripetal force being equivalent to the force exerted by B-field. Then find the ratio of the respective radii.
 
Well F = mv^2/r = qvB

W = qV

If I use the above I get something where the variables depend on one another...so I get stuck.
 
How did you get stuck? From the above, you can easily get r = mv/Bq. You then use the work energy theorem to get the final speed of the charged ions after they have been accelerated through ΔV. Then find the ratio of the two with r = (formula). The variables will all cancel out leaving only m' and m and.
 
I decided to go to bed that night and the next day I successfully solved the problem. Thanks for your help.
 

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