MHB Romeo and Juliet initial conditions

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The discussion centers on the initial conditions for a mathematical model representing Romeo and Juliet's feelings, specifically their hatred due to family enmity. The initial condition is set at (-1, -1) to indicate their mutual negative feelings, with the choice of -1 being the simplest representation. It is clarified that any negative values could be used, as they would still reflect the same emotional state, such as (-1.2, -1.2) or other negative pairs. The solutions derived from these initial conditions are r(t) = sin(t) - cos(t) and j(t) = -cos(t) - sin(t). The conversation emphasizes the flexibility in choosing initial values while maintaining the model's integrity.
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Hi all!

I need to give a presentation on a problem in class and @countryboy helped me to figure out most of it, I only have one remaining question.
Here it goes:

Consider the system dr/dt = -j, dj/dt = r , where r (t) represents Romeo’s love (positive values) or hate (negative
values) for Juliet at time t, and j(t) similarly representsJuliet’s feelings toward Romeo


The question I don't really understand is:

(b) Romeo’s and Juliet’s families are enemies. This can be expressed in the initial condition (r, j) = (.,.) at time t = 0.

So I know the answer needs to be (-1,-1), but I don't really get why. I understand the values need to be negative, as they initially hate each other, but why -1 and not for example -1.2?

The solutions I got to answer the remaining questions are:
r(t)= sin(t)-cos(t)
j(t)=-cos(t)-sin(t)

And I used the initial conditions to come to this, but I don't get how I was supposed to know them from the start.
Any explanation would be welcome, thanks!
 
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martha said:
Hi all!

I need to give a presentation on a problem in class and @countryboy helped me to figure out most of it, I only have one remaining question.
Here it goes:

Consider the system dr/dt = -j, dj/dt = r , where r (t) represents Romeo’s love (positive values) or hate (negative
values) for Juliet at time t, and j(t) similarly representsJuliet’s feelings toward Romeo


The question I don't really understand is:

(b) Romeo’s and Juliet’s families are enemies. This can be expressed in the initial condition (r, j) = (.,.) at time t = 0.

So I know the answer needs to be (-1,-1), but I don't really get why. I understand the values need to be negative, as they initially hate each other, but why -1 and not for example -1.2?

The solutions I got to answer the remaining questions are:
r(t)= sin(t)-cos(t)
j(t)=-cos(t)-sin(t)

And I used the initial conditions to come to this, but I don't get how I was supposed to know them from the start.
Any explanation would be welcome, thanks!

Hi martha, welcome to MHB! ;)

The initial condition is arbitrary - any negative set of values will do.
(-1,-1) is just the simplest set of values.
Alternatively we might for instance pick $(-\frac 1{\sqrt 2},-\frac 1{\sqrt 2})$, which would put us on the unit circle.
 

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