Rotate Parabola: Eliminate xy-Term

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The problem involves rotating the axes to eliminate the xy-term from the equation of a conic section, specifically a parabola represented by the equation 3x^2 - 2√3xy + y^2 + 2x + 2√3y = 0. The discussion centers around finding the correct angle of rotation using the cotangent formula.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method for finding the angle of rotation, referencing the cotangent formula. There are questions about the accuracy of the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the square root in the angle determination.

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Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original calculations and provided corrections. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the problem-solving process, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, questioning the setup and the assumptions made regarding the coefficients in the equation.

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Homework Statement


Rotate the axis to eliminate the xy-term.

[tex]3x^2-2\sqrt{3}xy+y^2+2x+2\sqrt{3}y=0[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]\cot2\theta=\frac{A-C}{B}[/tex]
[tex]x=x'\cos\theta-y'\sin\theta[/tex]
[tex]y=x'\sin\theta+y'\cos\theta[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Find the Angle of Rotation

[tex]\cot2\theta=\frac{-1}{3}=\frac{\cot^2\theta-1}{2\cot\theta}[/tex]
[tex]-(3\cot\theta-1)(\cot\theta+3)=0[/tex]
[tex]\cot\theta=\frac{1}{3}[/tex]
[tex]\theta\approx71.57 degrees[/tex]

By drawing a triangle you can find

[tex]\sin\theta=\frac{3}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]
[tex]\cos\theta=\frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]
Then using the 2 equations you find
[tex]x=\frac{x'-3y'}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]
[tex]y=\frac{3x'+y'}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]

Substitute that back in and you get

[tex]3(\frac{x'-3y'}{\sqrt{10}})^2-2\sqrt{3}(\frac{x'-3y'}{\sqrt{10}})(\frac{3x'+y'}{\sqrt{10}})+(\frac{3x'+y'}{\sqrt{10}})^2+2\frac{x'-3y'}{\sqrt{10}}+2\sqrt{3}\frac{3x'+y'}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]

Now I need to simplify...

[tex]\frac{3x'^2-18x'y'+27y'^2}{10}+\frac{-6\sqrt{3}x'^2+18\sqrt{3}x'y'+6\sqrt{3}y'^2}{10}+\frac{9x'^2+6x'y'+y'^2}{10}+\frac{2x'-6y'}{\sqrt{10}}+\frac{6\sqrt{3}x'+2\sqrt{3}y'}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]

Simplify more...[tex]\frac{(12-6\sqrt{3})x'^2+(-12+18\sqrt{3})x'y'+(28+6\sqrt{3})y'^2}{10}+\frac{(2+6\sqrt{3})x'+(-6+2\sqrt{3})y'}{\sqrt{10}}[/tex]

Phew.. that was a lot of typing... Now I could cross multiply and type all of that out as well but if I did my x'y' terms won't cancel out and since that was the whole purpose of this endeavor I went wrong somewhere. Do you know where I made my mistake?
 
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Your angle is wrong. How did you get it? Did not you miss a square root?

ehild
 
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I saw how I was wrong before and used the angle [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}[/tex] and it worked out fine. However, looking back at it again I can't find why I took the square root.

Because

[tex]3\cot\theta-1=0[/tex]
[tex]\cot\theta=\frac{1}{3}[/tex]
 
ehild is right.

The formula you start with (although the LaTex doesn't appear to be right) is
[tex]cot(2\theta)= \frac{A- C}{B}[/tex]

And here, A= 3, C= 1, ande [itex]B= 2\sqrt{3}[/itex]

[tex]cot(2\theta)= \frac{3- 1}{2\sqrt{3}}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}= \frac{\sqrt{3}}{3}[/tex]
not "1/3".

You didn't take the square root- it is already in the equation: [itex]2x^2+ 2\sqrt{3}xy+ y^2[/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
ehild is right.

The formula you start with (although the LaTex doesn't appear to be right) is
[tex]cot(2\theta)= \frac{A- C}{B}[/tex]

And here, A= 3, C= 1, ande [itex]B= 2\sqrt{3}[/itex]

[tex]cot(2\theta)= \frac{3- 1}{2\sqrt{3}}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}= \frac{\sqrt{3}}{3}[/tex]
not "1/3".

You didn't take the square root- it is already in the equation: [itex]2x^2+ 2\sqrt{3}xy+ y^2[/itex]

Ok, Now I see where I went wrong. Thanks.
 

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