Rotating reel with load driven by a motor

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The problem involves a motor-driven reel system where a constant force is applied to a cable wrapped around a reel. The objective is to determine the velocity of a cylinder after it has traveled a specified distance, starting from rest. The system includes a cylinder with a given mass and a reel with its own mass and radius of gyration.

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  • Participants discuss the application of both rotational dynamics and energy methods to solve the problem. There is an exploration of the kinetic energy of the system and the moment of inertia of the reel. Questions arise regarding the discrepancies in the calculated velocity compared to the expected answer.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the treatment of forces and acceleration. There is recognition of the need for a more systematic approach, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note that the original poster's approach may not fully account for the dynamics of the system, particularly in relation to the tension in the cable and the acceleration of the mass. There is also mention of constraints related to the use of energy methods versus direct force analysis.

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Homework Statement


If the motor M exerts a constant force of P = 300 N on the cable wrapped around the reels outer rim, determine the velocity of the 50 kg cylinder after it has traveled a distance 2 m. Initially the system is at rest. The reel has mass 25 kg, and the radius of gyration about its center of mass A is ka = 125 mm.
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Homework Equations


Ia = ma*k2a
Ia*α = ΣM

The Attempt at a Solution


Ia = ma*k2a = 25*0.1252 = 0.390625 kgm2
Ia*α = ΣM = -P*ro + mgri = -300*0.15 + 50*9.81*0.075 = -8.2125kgm
α = -8.2125 / 0.390625 = -21.024rad/s2
a = α*ri = -1.5768m/s2
s = (at2)/2 and v = at and we get that v = 2.51m/s, but the answer given is 1.91m/s.

What am I doing wrong? In the solution they use energy method which I understand, but I should be able to solve it correctly that way as well. Why do I get a different answer?
 

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I think firstly you'd focus on the Kinetic Energy and the work. As the reel rotates a fixed axis vC = vr rC or vr = vC rC = vC/0.075 = 13.33vC. The mass moment of inertia of the reel about its mass centers is Ia = MrkA2, which would equal 25(0.125)2 = 0.390625 kg ⋅ m2. Thus the kinetic energy of the system is T = Tr + Tc which = ½ IA ωr2 + mc x vc2, which would then proceed to = ½(0.390625)(13.33vC)2 + ½(50)vC2 which would equal 59.72vC2

There is more But I don't know how to insert the picture on here to show you, because you use that to get the answer of 1.91m/s.
 
Hi Physiona,

Thank you for the reply. I understand how to solve the problem using the energy method. What I don't get is why my attempt at a solution is wrong.
 
bassguitar said:
Hi Physiona,

Thank you for the reply. I understand how to solve the problem using the energy method. What I don't get is why my attempt at a solution is wrong.
Your mgri term does not allow for the acceleration of the mass. A more systematic approach is to introduce a variable for the tension in the vertical cable and consider the drum and mass separately.
 
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haruspex said:
Your mgri term does not allow for the acceleration of the mass. A more systematic approach is to introduce a variable for the tension in the vertical cable and consider the drum and mass separately.
I agree.
 

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