Rotational Kinematics -- questions about a=mg sin(theta) / (m+I/R^2)

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The discussion revolves around the formula a = mg sin(θ) / (m + I/R²) in the context of rotational kinematics. Participants seek to understand the derivation and application of this formula, which describes the acceleration of a mass sliding down an incline connected to a pulley.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for insights into the formula and its derivation, indicating a lack of understanding of the professor's explanation.
  • Another participant suggests that the formula likely describes a mass sliding down a frictionless incline, connected to a pulley, and mentions the application of Newton's second law for both linear and rotational motion.
  • A later reply confirms that the formula describes an object rolling down an inclined plane without slipping, although there is some confusion about the initial description.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the physical setup involving a mass, pulley, and the relationship between tension, torque, and acceleration, leading to the derivation of the formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the physical situation described by the formula, but there is some confusion regarding the initial interpretation and the details of the derivation. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of the explanation provided.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the physical setup, such as the absence of friction and the relationship between linear and angular acceleration. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of the initial explanation and the understanding of the participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in rotational kinematics, particularly those seeking to understand the dynamics of objects on inclined planes and the relationship between linear and rotational motion.

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Hi, I am learning. Rotational Kinematics and I was given this formula in class: a=mgsin(theta)/(m+I/R^2); however, I couldn't understand the professor's explanation of where it comes from. Could someone provide some insights about it?

I appreciate any help you can provide.
 
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Do you at least have an idea of what physical situation it is supposed to describe? Is the formula you posted all there is in your notes? It looks like you have a mass sliding down a frictionless incline of angle ##\theta##. A massless string is tied to the mass and wrapped around a pulley of radius ##R## and moment of inertia ##I##. The expression you posted describes the linear acceleration of the mass down the incline.

It comes from the application of Newton's second law for linear motion and for rotations. If you want to see its derivation, I am sure you can find it on the web now that you know what it (probably) is.
 
Correct it describes an object rolling down an inclined plane without slipping. Thank you!
 
MP97 said:
Correct it describes an object rolling down an inclined plane without slipping. Thank you!
That's not what I said, but it describes that too. You are welcome.
 
MP97 said:
Hi, I am learning. Rotational Kinematics and I was given this formula in class: a=mgsin(theta)/(m+I/R^2); however, I couldn't understand the professor's explanation of where it comes from. Could someone provide some insights about it?

I appreciate any help you can provide.
For some insights, you could try this:

 
MP97 said:
Hi, I am learning. Rotational Kinematics and I was given this formula in class: a=mgsin(theta)/(m+I/R^2); however, I couldn't understand the professor's explanation of where it comes from. Could someone provide some insights about it?

I appreciate any help you can provide.
Hey!
Let's solve your issues.
Consider a block of mass 'm' attached to a fixed, pulley of radius 'R', and moment of inertia 'I' by a rope having constant tension 'T'. Assuming there is no slipping between the pulley and the rope, we are asked to find the acceleration of the block when released under gravity.

By Newton's 2nd law,
F(net) = ma
=> mg - T = ma .....(i)

Now for the pulley, it will tend to rotate due to the torque produced by the tension in the rope.
=> Tau = RT = I(alpha) = Ia/R [Since no slipping, acceleration of rope is same as that of pulley, and a = R(alpha)]

=> T = Ia/R² ....... (ii)
Substituting this value in (i) and solving for a, we get
a = mg/(m+I/R²)

I hope this helps,
Signing off,
Rishit.
 
Rishit Bhaumik said:
I hope this helps,
I hope so too but note that this thread is more than a year old and the original poster has not been seen since January 2024.
 
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