Rotational Kinetic Energy discrepancy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison of rotational kinetic energy (Kr) between a rolling disk and a rolling hoop, particularly focusing on the implications of moment of inertia (I) and torque (τ) in their motion. Participants explore the relationship between angular acceleration (α), angular velocity (ω), and how these factors influence the kinetic energy of each object when rolling.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the hoop has greater rotational kinetic energy due to its larger moment of inertia, leading to smaller translational kinetic energy and velocity compared to the disk.
  • The same participant questions whether the hoop's torque, being equal to that of the disk, results in a smaller angular acceleration and thus a smaller angular velocity, which would imply a smaller rotational kinetic energy for the hoop.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the equations involved and whether the scenario involves rolling down an incline, suggesting that the disk outperforms the hoop in such a case.
  • Two participants agree that the disk indeed beats the hoop in terms of performance when rolling down an incline.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is a general agreement among some participants that the disk performs better than the hoop when rolling down an incline. However, the initial question regarding the relationship between torque, angular acceleration, and rotational kinetic energy remains unresolved, with differing views on how these factors interact.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not provide specific equations or detailed mathematical derivations, which may limit the clarity of the arguments presented. The assumptions regarding the conditions of rolling (e.g., whether on an incline) are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators exploring concepts of rotational dynamics, particularly in comparing different shapes and their effects on motion and energy in physics.

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I was going over the rolling disk versus rolling hoop problem, in which the hoop has more Kr due to greater I and therefore smaller Kt and v. I know this can be algebraically proved with two unique expressions for V that don't involve omega. The question in class that came up concerns torque. If torque=I*alpha and the torques are the same (Fr), wouldn't the hoop produce a smaller alpha, therefore a smaller omega, which would make for a smaller Kr than the disk since omega is squared? I can only seem to resolve this discrepancy if I assume that the torque on the disk increases proportionally with I. Can somebody clarify for me. Thank you
 
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FlyDoc said:
Summary:: Why isn't Rotational Kinetic Energy of a hoop less than a disk? Should angular acceleration and therefore angular velocity decrease due to an increasing in moment of inertia?

I was going over the rolling disk versus rolling hoop problem, in which the hoop has more Kr due to greater I and therefore smaller Kt and v. I know this can be algebraically proved with two unique expressions for V that don't involve omega. The question in class that came up concerns torque. If torque=I*alpha and the torques are the same (Fr), wouldn't the hoop produce a smaller alpha, therefore a smaller omega, which would make for a smaller Kr than the disk since omega is squared? I can only seem to resolve this discrepancy if I assume that the torque on the disk increases proportionally with I. Can somebody clarify for me. Thank you

Why don't you show us the equations properly? Is this rolling down an incline?

A uniform disk (or solid cylinder) beats a hoop (or hollow cylinder) down an incline, right?
 
yes, disk beats hoop.
 
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yes, disk beats hoop.
... and that's because ...
 
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