Rotational stability and Fosbury Flop questions

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The discussion focuses on the physics of rotational stability, particularly in relation to the Fosbury Flop technique in high jump and bicycle dynamics. It highlights that the center of gravity's position affects stability, with faster speeds leading to increased stability due to gyroscopic effects and centripetal forces. Key concepts include torque-induced precession and the relationship between speed and stability, emphasizing that multiple interrelated equations govern these phenomena rather than a single equation. The conversation also touches on practical experiences with stability issues, such as "tank slappers" in high-speed cycling.

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Why are rotations more stable the faster they rotate and what is the consequence of the fosbury flop?
What is the consequence of the center of gravity passing below the rod in the high jump? Fosbury flop.
Which equation is responsible for a bike being more stable the faster it's driven? and in rotating things in general being more stable the faster they're rotating.
 
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John3022 said:
Which equation is responsible for a bike being more stable the faster it's driven? and in rotating things in general being more stable the faster they're rotating.
Bicycles are complicated. There is more than one thing going on. You should not expect to find a single equation with a single unknown called "stability". Instead, you will find a collection of inter-related equations with a plethora of parameters.

Gyroscopic precession in particular is a bit simpler. You are probably concerned with torque-induced precession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession#Classical_(Newtonian)

The faster something is spinning, the less precession rate you get for a fixed input torque.
The faster a bike is moving, the more centripetal force you get for a fixed yaw rate.
 
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Welcome to PF. :smile:

John3022 said:
Which equation is responsible for a bike being more stable the faster it's driven?
Which kind of stability? Stability when everything is mellow and changing slowly, or the loss of stability called a "tank slapper" at speed? (Full disclosure -- I saved my one and only life threatening tank slapper merging onto a freeway at high speed in an early morning commute, and installed a steering damper on my CBR600F4 the next week).

 
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