# News Rove Invoved In Firing Of Attorneys General

#### mathwonk

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in my accidental pause on pat robertson's channel i heard him say gonzalez was "weak". after that he accused republicans of not lining up behind gonzalez. what a weasel. then he started attacking salt in food. does anyone listen to this lying cynical money grubber?

then he gave a phone number for sending for his educational materials, and one to send money. good lord. are there actually voters listening to this guy? answer is yes because one of my friends does so.

#### Ivan Seeking

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Based on the reporting that I have seen today, it seems to be conclusive among "Washington insiders" that Gonzo is gonzo, and all eyes are now on the missing emails and Rove.

As for Pat Robertson... hmmmm, can't say that here.

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#### mathwonk

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sorry, i have broken my rule against stating things clearly in public forums, because these screwups are getting serious. these guys are close to ruining our world for ours and our childrens' lifetimes.

i mean they are not only killing people, but changing the climate for hundreds of years to come. they are annihilating whole species, melting glaciers, and changing the future of the planet. these are the people kirk and spock warned us about!

several decaDES AGO THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE ACCEPTED THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE smarter then average like Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill, should run things. Now it seems we prefer people dumber than average like GW.

GW and his gang are so incompetent, even Republican senators cannot stand them any longer. I guess the only thing they liked about him was that he wAS WINNING ELCTIONS FOR THEM. NOW THAT is over they have dumped him like a hot rock.

I am glad even Republicans are offended by the "defense" Gonzalez has presented. Apparently they do not enjoy being lied to either. When Rove will go is a matter of time now. He has been tolerated for the same reason as Bush, his slime ball tactics were working. That is at an end.

I would like to think republican senators are offended by his lies but they waited until the public spoke before objecting to them. It seems to take about 6 years for the US public to give up even on a totally hopeless leader whose incompetence has been all too evident from the beginning.

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#### Astronuc

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As for Pat Robertson and the like . . .

For God’s Sake
By PAUL KRUGMAN, NY Times OP-ED, April 13, 2007

In 1981, Gary North, a leader of the Christian Reconstructionist movement — the openly theocratic wing of the Christian right — suggested that the movement could achieve power by stealth. “Christians must begin to organize politically within the present party structure,” he wrote, “and they must begin to infiltrate the existing institutional order.”

Today, Regent University, founded by the televangelist Pat Robertson to provide “Christian leadership to change the world,” boasts that it has 150 graduates working in the Bush administration.

Unfortunately for the image of the school, where Mr. Robertson is chancellor and president, the most famous of those graduates is Monica Goodling, a product of the university’s law school. . . .

The infiltration of the federal government by large numbers of people seeking to impose a religious agenda — which is very different from simply being people of faith — is one of the most important stories of the last six years. It’s also a story that tends to go underreported, perhaps because journalists are afraid of sounding like conspiracy theorists.

But this conspiracy is no theory. The official platform of the Texas Republican Party pledges to “dispel the myth of the separation of church and state.

. . . And it’s clear that unqualified people were hired throughout the [Bush] administration because of their religious connections.

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One measure of just how many Bushies were appointed to promote a religious agenda is how often a Christian right connection surfaces when we learn about a Bush administration scandal.

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#### Ivan Seeking

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The basic debate at this point is whether Gonzo is being deceptive, as D Sen Leahy claims, or if he is just incompetent, as R Sen Specter claims. Given those choices, it is nice to know that this is the man who determined for the Bush admin what was and was not legal - gitmo, torture, wire taps, etc.

The Constitution? I don't recall...

#### edward

As for Pat Robertson and the like . . .

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The fact that Bush never funded the "Faith Based Initiative" as he promised in 2000 should have given the Christian right a clue that they were being had. It didn't.

It was recently reported that the Bush campaign had e-mailed members of the clergy, soliciting help in identifying "friendly" congregations that would do the campaign's bidding in their areas. When the e-mail came to light, legal experts warned that any religious organization that endorsed one candidate over another could lose its tax-exempt status. A few days later, House Republicans added a measure to a tax bill working its way through Congress called the "Safe Harbor for Churches" act, which would allow any religious organization to make as many as three "unintentional" political endorsements in a calendar year without jeopardizing its tax-exempt status.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=7858

#### Astronuc

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By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 16, 2004; Page A25

House Panel Drops 'Safe Harbor for Churches' Measure
The House Ways and Means Committee has killed a proposal that was intended to give clergy members freedom to endorse candidates for political office without endangering the tax-exempt status of their congregations.

The provision, titled "Safe Harbor for Churches," was removed from a corporate tax bill during a committee markup of the legislation Monday night, staff members said.

Watchdog groups -- including Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Interfaith Alliance and People for the American Way -- opposed the provision as a step toward dismantling the constitutional ban on state-sponsored religion. Some also called it a "back-door" attempt to help reelect President Bush, whose campaign is focusing on churches as potential centers of support.

But the proposal's fate was sealed when religious groups, including the Southern Baptist Convention and the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, also expressed strong reservations.

In a letter to House members last week, the Rev. Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptists' Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, criticized the provision for making distinctions that would have required more scrutiny of churches by the Internal Revenue Service, not less. For instance, the provision would have allowed a clergy member to engage in political campaigning as a private citizen but not at "an official function" of a church.
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#### Ivan Seeking

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Low-key office launches high-profile inquiry
The Office of Special Counsel will investigate U.S. attorney firings and other political activities led by Karl Rove.

...The new investigation, which will examine the firing of at least one U.S. attorney, missing White House e-mails, and White House efforts to keep presidential appointees attuned to Republican political priorities, could create a substantial new problem for the Bush White House.

First, the inquiry comes from inside the administration, not from Democrats in Congress. Second, unlike the splintered inquiries being pressed on Capitol Hill, it is expected to be a unified investigation covering many facets of the political operation in which Rove played a leading part.

"We will take the evidence where it leads us," Scott J. Bloch, head of the Office of Special Counsel and a presidential appointee, said in an interview Monday. "We will not leave any stone unturned." [continued]

It looks like the WH may have new image problems given that this is a presidential appointee.

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#### Astronuc

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This may have been mentioned already -

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/03/15/rove_attorneys/index_np.html [Broken]
The Bush administration's first instinct was to shield Karl Rove from scrutiny when Congress began inquiring about the unusual firings of eight U.S. attorneys. Among the replacements, the proposed new U.S. attorney for Arkansas happened to be one of Rove's most devoted underlings, his head of opposition research, Tim Griffin, who boasted during the 2000 presidential election about the effectiveness of the negative campaign against Al Gore: "We make the bullets!" Griffin also posted a sign in his department at Bush headquarters: "Rain hell on Al!" A letter written by the Department of Justice in late February informed Congress: "The department is not aware of Karl Rove playing any role in the decision to appoint Mr. Griffin." Despite this categorical disavowal, a sheaf of internal Justice Department e-mails released this week to Congress under subpoena revealed Kyle Sampson, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' chief of staff, writing in mid-December 2006, "I know getting him appointed was important to Harriet, Karl, etc." Harriet, of course, was Harriet Miers, then the White House legal counsel.

The Justice Department's statement on Karl Rove was simply one part of its coverup. . . . .
Karl Rove and the one party state
Is Karl Rove the greatest threat to American democracy since the civil war?
...Two academics, Donald C. Shields of the University of Missouri and John F. Cragan of Illinois State University, studied the pattern of U.S. attorneys' prosecutions under the Bush administration. Their conclusions in their study, "The Political Profiling of Elected Democratic Officials," are that "across the nation from 2001 through 2006 the Bush Justice Department investigated Democratic office holders and candidates at a rate more than four times greater (nearly 80 percent to 18 percent) than they investigated Republican office holders and seekers." They also report, "Data indicate that the offices of the U.S. Attorneys across the nation investigate seven times as many Democratic officials as they investigate Republican officials, a number that exceeds even the racial profiling of African Americans in traffic stops." Thus what the 85 U.S. attorneys who were not dismissed are doing is starkly detailed.

If the Democrats hadn't won the midterm elections last year there is no reason to believe that the plan to use the U.S. attorneys for political prosecutions -- as they have been used systematically under Bush -- wouldn't have gone forward completely unimpeded. Without the new Congress issuing subpoenas, there would be no exposure, no hearings, no press conferences -- no questions at all.

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http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/2/kuttner-r.html [Broken]

Politics
With Carl M. Cannon
National Journal White House Correspondent
What role is Karl Rove playing in the Bush administration? How has he made the transition from political consultant and campaign strategist to White House insider? Is Bush's decision to move toward war with or without the United Nations in America's long-term interests?

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#### Astronuc

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Monica Goodling may be offered immunity, if she has already received the offer, in which case she may be compelled to testify.

House Panel May Give Monica Goodling Immunity
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9626752
All Things Considered, April 17, 2007 · The House Judiciary Committee may grant immunity to former Justice Department official Monica Goodling as early as Wednesday. Goodling, a central figure in the unfolding scandal over the firing of eight federal prosecutors, has refused to answer questions from the committee, citing her Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate herself.
Well it apparently happened.

House Judiciary Panel Gives Goodling Immunity
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9833666
All Things Considered, April 25, 2007 · The House Judiciary Committee has voted to extend immunity from prosecution to Monica Goodling, who was the Justice Department's White House liaison and senior counselor to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Committee leaders want to know about the White House's role in the firing of eight U.S. attorneys in 2006.

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Dems vote subpoenas in widening probes
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070425/ap_on_go_co/congress_subpoenas [Broken]
WASHINGTON - Putting their congressional control to work, Democrats approved new subpoenas Wednesday — and a grant of immunity — for probes ranging from the prosecutor firings and White House political activities to President Bush's justification for the war in Iraq

Democrats said the broad array of investigations represents a revival of Congress' role after six years of little oversight of the Bush administration by Republican lawmakers.

The White House is pushing back, refusing to allow officials to testify under oath about the firings and arguing that top officials — including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, subject of one of the subpoenas — already have answered questions about the administration's now-discredited claim that Iraq was seeking uranium for a bomb.

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Congress' effort isn't driven solely by Democrats. Republicans have barely restrained their disdain for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' accounting of the firings, including his claims of a faulty memory.

Sen. Arlen Specter ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, co-signed a letter with Leahy Wednesday urging Gonzales to freshen his memory and provide answers within a week.

. . . continued
So, according to some sources, Goodling has been granted immunity.

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#### edward

John Stewart on Bill Moyers program talking about Gonzo's testimony.

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#### Astronuc

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John Stewart on Bill Moyers program talking about Gonzo's testimony.
I think Stewart pegged it - pinhead! :rofl: And a very well paid pinhead at that.

#### Ivan Seeking

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So the real test was whether or not he could evade Congress, and not to show that he is competent as attorney general, or if he broke the law, of if he has lied. I think that pretty much says it all except for the most memorable line, "and you did it for me".

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#### edward

This speaks for itself.

Karl Rove's Coaching Session

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, May 4, 2007; 1:50 PM

Back on March 5, several top Justice Department officials were summoned for an emergency meeting at the White House. On the agenda: Going over "what we are going to say" about why eight U.S. attorneys had been summarily fired.
Deputy White House counsel William Kelley sent an e-mail over to Justice early in the afternoon, saying that he had "been tasked" with pulling the meeting together, and that "we have to get this group together with some folks here asap."

The meeting was held at the White House later that day. And who did Kelley mean by "some folks here"? Well, among others, Karl Rove -- the White House's chief political operative, and the man who may very well have set the unprecedented dismissals in motion in the first place.

Gonzo is still around and Rove is still running the show.

#### Ivan Seeking

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Apparently nothing short of impeachment will do. Gonzo only proved to Congress that this admin has no credibility.

The investigations are continuing. Immunity has been given.

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#### Skyhunter

The attorney firings are part of the Rovian plan for a Republican century.

From http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/10/voting_rights/index.html [Broken] (non members can view an ad)

One of the aims of the abortive purge of U.S. attorneys was to punish those who refused to toe the line on the new emphasis on alleged voter fraud. A few fired prosecutors would serve as examples to the rest –- either move to criminalize the election process or face dismissal.

But the assault on voter fraud was a solution looking for a problem. As part of the Help America Vote Act, Republicans insisted on creating the Election Assistance Commission, which commissioned studies of the asserted problem. When the studies failed to turn up evidence of fraud nationwide, appointed Republican officials on the EAC insisted that the language say only that "there is a great deal of debate on the pervasiveness of fraud in elections" -- the same approach to inconvenient evidence that's made the Bush global-warming policy the envy of the world.
If you couple this with Rove's caging lists, and the power of Choicepoint at their disposal:

The Spies Who Shag Us

The Times and USA Today have Missed the Bigger Story -- Again

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Greg Palast

The leader in the field of what is called "data mining," is a company, formed in 1997, called, "ChoicePoint, Inc," which has sucked up over a billion dollars in national security contracts.

Worried about Dick Cheney listening in Sunday on your call to Mom? That ain't nothing. You should be more concerned that they are linking this info to your medical records, your bill purchases and your entire personal profile including, not incidentally, your voting registration. Five years ago, I discovered that ChoicePoint had already gathered 16 billion data files on Americans -- and I know they've expanded their ops at an explosive rate.

They are paid to keep an eye on you -- because the FBI can't. For the government to collect this stuff is against the law unless you're suspected of a crime. (The law in question is the Constitution.) But ChoicePoint can collect it for "commercial" purchases -- and under the Bush Administration's suspect reading of the Patriot Act -- our domestic spying apparatchiks can then BUY the info from ChoicePoint.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/05/con06189.html

Suddenly it becomes clear why Republican lawmakers are hesitant abandon Rove/Bush. The RNC is complicit.

And Greg Palast has the emails.

Key voters on Griffin’s hit list: Black soldiers and homeless men and women. Nice guy, eh? Naughty or nice, however, is not the issue. Targeting voters where race is a factor is a felony crime under the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

In October 2004, our investigations team at BBC Newsnight received a series of astonishing emails from Mr. Griffin, then Research Director for the Republican National Committee. He didn’t mean to send them to us. They were highly confidential memos meant only for RNC honchos.

However, Griffin made a wee mistake. Instead of sending the emails — potential evidence of a crime — to email addresses ending with the domain name “@GeorgeWBush.com” he sent them to “@GeorgeWBush.ORG.” A website run by prankster John Wooden who owns “GeorgeWBush.org.” When Wooden got the treasure trove of Rove-ian ravings, he sent them to us.
http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/

I left the Republican party in Reagans first term.

I dont even recognize it anymore.

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#### edward

ChoicePoint doesn't exactly have a great track record securing their data.

February 16, 2005
Criminals broke into a database that contains information on virtually every U.S. citizen, exposing as many as 100,000 consumers to identity theft and other crimes. The thefts occurred last October but are just being admitted by the company.

The database is operated by Georgia-based ChoicePoint, which has mailed letters to at least 35,000 Californians who have potentially been affected. The letters say that consumers' personal information, including bank account, credit card and Social Security numbers may have been accessed by unauthorized individuals.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/choicepoint.html

That is just great , Now not only does ChoicePoint, the NSA and PNAC have all of our personal information, So does the Nigerian scammers.:surprised

Edit: Ironically it appears that after all of billions spent by the NSA to prevent terrorism through the use of intense data mining, the Ft. Dix incident info was turned over to authorities by an employee of Best Buy.

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#### Skyhunter

Edit: Ironically it appears that after all of billions spent by the NSA to prevent terrorism through the use of intense data mining, the Ft. Dix incident info was turned over to authorities by an employee of Best Buy.
I had to laugh when I read that story and saw how hyped it was.

Six guys with paintball guns who couldn't afford an extra recorder to copy their video. :rofl:

The way the media was hyping it I thought originally that Bush had prevented another 9/11. :rofl:

Then I realized it was just a store clerk paying attention.

Won't stop the neo-right from declaring it a victory and justification for their policies though.

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#### Skyhunter

DBT/Choicepoint was the company that Jeb Bush and Kathleen Harris hired to create their Democratic purge lists for the 2000 Presidential election. The lists that disenfranchised 55,000 registered voters in Florida.

What was the margin of victory in 2000, 400+?

Florida Voter File Contract
In 1998, the state of Florida signed a $4 million contract with Database Technologies (DBT Online), which later merged into ChoicePoint, for the purposes of providing a central voter file listing those barred from voting. As of 2002, Florida is the only state which hires a private firm for these purposes. Prior to contracting with Database Technologies, Florida contracted with a smaller operator for$5,700 per year. The state of Florida contracted with DBT in November 1998, following the controversial Miami mayoral race of 1997. The 1998 contracting process involved no bidding and was worth \$2,317,800.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ChoicePoint
Here is Choicepoints official statement.

I like the part about the list being 99.9% accurate using a 90% match criteria. :rofl:

Here is the piece that BBC newsnight did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm

The "liberal" American media ignored it.

BBC has never retracted a word of it.

My thoughts are;

The attorney firings are part of a larger election fraud scheme implemented very effectively by the RNC. They plan to shave about 3 million votes in 2008 while keeping the American people distracted by high profile investigations and allegations of voter fraud.

Accuse individuals voters of fraud, wrong precinct, felony record, immigration status, etc. At the same time the RNC commits election fraud, while the media hypes the individual "investigations".

In the end there will be no significant convictions, yet it will stir a flurry of legislation further restricting access to suffrage by the "wrong type" of voter.

Welcome to Neo-America.

#### edward

ChoicePoint's Florida scrub list is very troubling. This is all very Rovian.

One elections supervisor, Linda Howell of Madison County, was so upset by the errors that she refused to use the Harris/ChoicePoint list. How could she be so sure the new list identified innocent people as felons? Because her own name was on it, 'and I assure you, I am not a felon'.

#### Astronuc

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http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/05/4406_new_evidence_th_1.html

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/070510nj1.htm
The Bush administration has withheld a series of e-mails from Congress showing that senior White House and Justice Department officials worked together to conceal the role of Karl Rove in installing Timothy Griffin, a protégé of Rove's, as U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas.

The withheld records show that D. Kyle Sampson, who was then-chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, consulted with White House officials in drafting two letters to Congress that appear to have misrepresented the circumstances of Griffin's appointment as U.S. attorney and of Rove's role in supporting Griffin.

In one of the letters that Sampson drafted, dated February 23, 2007, the Justice Department told four Senate Democrats it was not aware of any role played by senior White House adviser Rove in attempting to name Griffin to the U.S. attorney post. A month later, the Justice Department apologized in writing to the Senate Democrats for the earlier letter, saying it had been inaccurate in denying that Rove had played a role.
Seems like obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to violate federal law.

And then

Secret Order By Gonzales Delegated Extraordinary Powers To Aides
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/070430nj1.htm
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales signed a highly confidential order in March 2006 delegating to two of his top aides -- who have since resigned because of their central roles in the firings of eight U.S. attorneys -- extraordinary authority over the hiring and firing of most non-civil-service employees of the Justice Department. A copy of the order and other Justice Department records related to the conception and implementation of the order were provided to National Journal.

In the order, Gonzales delegated to his then-chief of staff, D. Kyle Sampson, and his White House liaison "the authority, with the approval of the Attorney General, to take final action in matters pertaining to the appointment, employment, pay, separation, and general administration" of virtually all non-civil-service employees of the Justice Department, including all of the department's political appointees who do not require Senate confirmation. Monica Goodling became White House liaison in April 2006, the month after Gonzales signed the order.
Confidential or secret orders pertaining to domestic affairs - which have nothing to do with a criminal matter or national security.

Sounds like they are trying to hide something - something like illegal activity.

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#### Ivan Seeking

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Feinstein and Schumer are calling for a "no confidence" vote on Gonzales.

If the republicans don't publicly insist that Gonzales be removed, they have made an enemy for life. What have these idiots done to my party and my country? UNBELIEVABLE!!!

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