Rubber bullet / metal bullet hitting wooden block

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The discussion revolves around the effects of rubber and metal bullets striking a wooden block, focusing on the outcomes of tipping the block over versus causing damage. Participants explore the concepts of momentum and kinetic energy in relation to the different materials of the bullets.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question how momentum and kinetic energy relate to the different behaviors of rubber and metal bullets upon impact. They discuss the implications of elastic versus inelastic collisions and how these concepts affect the block's motion and damage.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of how the bullets interact with the block, with some participants providing insights into the nature of collisions. There is an ongoing exploration of the distinctions between the effects of rubber and metal bullets, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the assumptions regarding the mass, shape, and velocity of the bullets, as well as the definitions of momentum and kinetic energy in their analysis.

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The bullet hits near the top of block. Which will tip the block over? Which will do most damage?

I believe the rubber will tip it over and the metal will do the most damage...but I'm not sure how to explain it. When the metal hits it enters the block. When the rubber hits there is a recoil. The rubber doesn't enter the block
 
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Think about the momentum of the bullet before and after the impact...
 
Tipping over is done by putting momentum(vector) into the block, and doing damage is done by putting energy(scalar) into the block. If you consider that both quantities are the same in total before and after the impact, you know which bullet does what.
 
Would the momentum and KE of both rubber and metal bullet be the same if they have the same mass, shape, & velocity?

So in that case how would I distinguish the metal from the rubber? How do I explain the KE of the metal bullet enters the block and causes damage? While the rubber just tips it over?
 
Kaxa2000 said:
Would the momentum and KE of both rubber and metal bullet be the same if they have the same mass, shape, & velocity?

Hi there,

The momentum is the same, even if the shape is not the same. The mass and the velocity are the momentum and kinetic energy's only parameters. Therefore, if you want to keep the same momentum, and increase the mass, the velocity has to be reduced.

Cheers
 
Kaxa2000 said:
I believe the rubber will tip it over and the metal will do the most damage...but I'm not sure how to explain it. When the metal hits it enters the block. When the rubber hits there is a recoil. The rubber doesn't enter the block

The difference between rubber and metal is that rubber is much more elastic than metal. When the bullet hits the wood, there is some interaction between them for a very short time. During this interaction, the rubber bullet will be deformed, but it will get back its shape after the contact with the block ceases. It is like a spring, the KE is converted to elastic energy and converted back to KE when the bullet leaves the block. This is an elastic collision, and both the total momentum and KE is conserved.

In case of metal bullet, it is solid and rigid enough to go further after hitting the block, and enters inside the block, the two of them moving together. This is an inelastic collision, momentum is conserved, but the KE does not. Part of the original KE of the bullet is used to break the block, to warm it and so on.

As the rubber bullet recoils from the block, but the metal one goes together with it, the momentum of the block after collision is bigger if the collision was elastic. Moreover, when the top is hit, the block gets not only translational KE but also a torque which can tip it over. This torque is proportional to the momentum it gained, so it would be more likely that the rubber bullet tips the block over.

ehild
 
Thanks ehild...thats very similar to how my prof explained it
 

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