Rules to compute Feynman Diagram with the Feynman rules

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The discussion revolves around the computation of Feynman diagrams using Feynman rules, focusing on the ordering of factors such as gamma matrices and spinors. Participants explore the implications of particle flow and the proper sequence for calculations, particularly in the context of electron-positron scattering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes difficulties with the non-commuting nature of gamma matrices and spinors, questioning the rules for determining the order of calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that one should draw the diagram and read from right to left, emphasizing the importance of Lorentz invariance and the order of increasing time.
  • A different participant proposes labeling internal lines with momenta, directing fermion momenta according to the arrow and using a specific propagator form, while stating that the internal labeling for bosons is less critical.
  • There is a correction regarding the reading direction of the diagram, reiterating the right-to-left approach while following the arrows.

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Participants express differing views on the importance of the order of calculations and the significance of particle flow, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific steps and considerations in the computation process, but there are no consensus definitions or established rules regarding the ordering of calculations or the treatment of internal lines.

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Hello,

I am trying to compute feynman diagrams with the feynman rules but I encounter some difficulties... Since the gamma matrices, spinnors, etc do not comute, the ordering of the different factor from feynman diagram has an importance. Is there some rules that say where to begin and in which order do we have to compute them?

I know for instance that we have to follow the particle flow but in the case of e+ e- scattering, do I begin with the e+ or the e-, etc ?

Thanks in advance
 
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Draw a diagram and read from right to left.time increases also in going from down to up.you should care to make amplitude lorentz invariant.it should be in order of increasing time.
I know for instance that we have to follow the particle flow but in the case of e+ e- scattering, do I begin with the e+ or the e-, etc ?
it does not matter.
 
My first step:
Label all internal lines with momenta.
Fermions : Label internal momenta in the DIRECTION OF THE ARROW, then use a regular
\frac{i (\not p + m)}{p^2-m^2}
propagator. Never think about internal fermions as antifermions/etc.
Bosons : I don't think it matters internally, so just choose whatever you want, I choose them so loops are directional. REALLY the delta functions at each vertex should take care of it.

Then I start at (for simple diagrams) the outgoing particles. (So start with things that are barred).

So for e+(p1) e-(p2) > gamma > e+(k1) e-(k2)


<br /> [\bar{u}_{k_2} (- i e Q_{\ell} \gamma_{\mu}) v_{k_1}] \times \left(-i \frac{g^{\mu \nu}}{q^2}\right) \times [\bar{v}_{p_1} (- i e Q_{\ell} \gamma_{\nu}) u_{p_2}]<br />
 
Draw a diagram and read from right to left
correction,it should read as we read from right to left,we just follow the arrows.
 

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