Russian opposition leader, a Putin critic shot dead

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The discussion centers on the assassination of Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, exploring the implications of his murder, the potential motivations behind it, and the reactions it may provoke within Russia and internationally. Participants examine the political context, historical precedents, and the role of propaganda in shaping perceptions of the event.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Nemtsov was shot multiple times in a public area, raising questions about the motivations behind the assassination.
  • Others suggest that the murder may serve to discourage dissent and discourage others from opposing the regime, viewing Nemtsov as a martyr.
  • There is a perspective that the assassination may not significantly impact Putin's control, as some argue that political assassinations are not uncommon in Russia and do not necessarily lead to widespread public outcry.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the Kremlin's narrative and suggest that it may be used to frame Nemtsov's murder in a way that absolves Putin of direct responsibility.
  • There are contrasting views on the effectiveness of assassination as a means to suppress political movements, with some arguing that it can lead to increased resistance while others cite historical examples where such actions have stifled dissent.
  • Participants discuss the role of propaganda in shaping public perception, with some asserting that both Western and Russian narratives are influenced by their respective media environments.
  • Some contributions question the assumption that Putin directly orchestrated the murder, suggesting that it may not align with his political interests.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of Nemtsov's assassination, with no clear consensus on whether it will lead to increased protests or further repression. The discussion reflects a divide in opinions regarding the motivations behind the murder and the effectiveness of political violence in shaping public movements.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical instances of political repression and the complexities of media narratives, highlighting the challenges in interpreting the motivations and consequences of such events. There is an acknowledgment of the differing perspectives shaped by cultural and political contexts.

  • #31
Ostensibly, the Swiss government would know if he was in Switzerland, otherwise the Italians would know. I wonder how they do border crossings on the lake.
 
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  • #32
It's all Schengen now - no border crossings.
I don't think it would be difficult for Vladimir Putin to enter Switzerland incognito. Especially with Swiss privacy laws being what they are.
 
  • #33
Vanadium 50 said:
I don't think it would be difficult for Vladimir Putin to enter Switzerland incognito.
Still, this day in age, something has to leak
 
  • #34
Greg Bernhardt said:
something has to leak

And, as I said, it's in the Swiss media.
 
  • #35
I can just imagine that EU tabloid paparazzi swarming Lugano.

I once had trouble getting into France and Spain, even though in theory they were in the Schengen agreement. As an Australian, Germany didn't require a visa, while France and Spain did. I was detained until I obtained a visa at immigration office. In Spain, my passport and plane tickets were confiscated, while I was in the country, and I could only get my passport back by presenting a boarding pass. I was on Iberia for the return trip, but then the one of the unions went on strike, so the flight was suspended. I had to get Iberia to transfer me to KLM. I wasn't sure if I could leave Spain on time.
 
  • #36
So Putin just has to play a game of Where's Waldo and the media forgets this entirely? o_O
 
  • #38
Czcibor said:
Report on which Nemtsov was working before some "green men" shot him - published:
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Soon to come then, a big spin campaign on the Russians-in-Ukraine report from the Russian Il Duce and company. In returning to the methods of the earlier 20th century, Putin might yet suffer its consequences, e.g. hanging by his heals at a gas station.
 
  • #39
mheslep said:
Soon to come then, a big spin campaign on the Russians-in-Ukraine report from the Russian Il Duce and company. In returning to the methods of the earlier 20th century, Putin might yet suffer its consequences, e.g. hanging by his heals at a gas station.
At a gas station? Not narrow enough, in Poland we perceive whole Russia just as one big heavily armed gas station, that pretends being a country ;)

And more seriously - so far Russia is on the high thanks to mixture of reduced vodka price and nationalism. Economy seems to stabilize, so... don't look so. Of course we may say that in 1914 there was very high support for the Tsar...

Anyway, I found a better article about Nemtsov and his research:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...ndreds-of-russian-dead-in-ukraine/520628.html
 
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