Rutherford's atom experiment problem

In summary: The force is so strong that it overcomes the initial velocity and pulls the helium nucleus towards the gold nucleus.In summary, Ernest Rutherford's discovery of the nucleus of the atom in 1911 was made by observing the scattering of helium nuclei from gold nuclei. By using electric field equations involving k constant, charge, mass, and velocity, it was determined that a helium nucleus with a mass of 6.68 x 10^-27 kg and an initial velocity of 1.30 x 10^7 m/s would come as close as 8.4 x 10^-7 meters to a gold nucleus with a charge of +79e before stopping and turning around. However, this initial solution was incorrect and further analysis is
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Dana Fishel
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Homework Statement


In 1911, Ernest Rutherford discovered the nucleus of the atom by observing the scattering of helium nuclei from gold nuclei. If a helium nucleus with a mass of 6.68
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10^-27 kg, a charge of +2e, and an initial velocity of 1.30
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10^7 m/s is projected head-on toward a gold nucleus with a charge of +79e, how close will the helium atom come to the gold nucleus before it stops and turns around? (Assume the gold nucleus is held in place by other gold atoms and does not move.)

Homework Equations


electric field equations involving k constant, charge, mass, and velocity

The Attempt at a Solution


I was told by a classmate that this should work:

d = (9e9)4(79)(1.602e-19)^2 / (6.68e-27)(1.3e7)
= 8.4e-7 meters
(where e means x10^#)

But it's wrong, and I'm not sure which equation this solution came from in the first place.
 
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Dana Fishel said:
d = (9e9)4(79)(1.602e-19)^2 / (6.68e-27)(1.3e7)
It's not reasonable to expect others to decode that by reverse engineering the numbers.
Please post it as an equation using symbols, preferably defining them.
 
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Think energy.
 
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Haru is absolutely right. But you yourself can easily do the reverse engineering, isn't it ?

d = (9e9)4(79)(1.602e-19)^2 / (6.68e-27)(1.3e7)

I see a kcoulomb, q1, q2, m, and a v. In short: all you need.
But dimensionally it doesn't fit. Andrev's hint should be enough to discover the little thingy that's still missing from your friendly classmate's spoiler !

[warning]: make sure you learn from this. Getting the answer from a mate means that in fact you miss the exercise. You can't have someone else train for the marathon in your place and still expect to be able to run it yourself!
 
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It's very similar to throwing a ball upwards, except in this case the force increases drastically "upwards".
 

1. What was Rutherford's atom experiment problem?

Rutherford's atom experiment problem was a scientific puzzle in the early 20th century that aimed to explain the structure of an atom. At the time, scientists believed that the atom was a solid, indivisible sphere. However, Rutherford's experiment showed that the atom was mostly empty space with a small, dense positively charged nucleus at its center.

2. What was Rutherford's experiment and how did he conduct it?

Rutherford's experiment involved shooting alpha particles (positively charged particles) at a thin sheet of gold foil. He used a device called a particle accelerator to generate high-speed alpha particles. The particles were then directed at the gold foil and a screen was placed behind the foil to detect the particles' paths.

3. What were the results of Rutherford's experiment?

The results of Rutherford's experiment showed that most of the alpha particles passed through the gold foil without any deflection, but a small percentage of particles were deflected at large angles or even bounced back. This led Rutherford to conclude that the atom must have a small, dense positively charged nucleus that repels the positively charged alpha particles.

4. How did Rutherford's experiment contribute to our understanding of the atom?

Rutherford's experiment revolutionized our understanding of the atom and helped to develop the modern atomic model. It showed that the atom was mostly empty space and that the positively charged nucleus was surrounded by negatively charged electrons. This led to the development of the planetary model of the atom, where electrons orbit the nucleus like planets orbit the sun.

5. What were the limitations of Rutherford's experiment?

Rutherford's experiment had some limitations, such as the use of only one type of particle (alpha particles) and a relatively small sample size of gold atoms. Additionally, the results did not fully explain the behavior of electrons within the atom, which led to further experiments and advancements in our understanding of atomic structure.

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