Rydberg's Constant: Diff. between R∞ & R_H

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The discussion revolves around the differences between Rydberg's constant for an infinite mass nucleus (R∞) and for a hydrogen atom with a moving proton (R_H). Participants explore both the physical and mathematical implications of these constants, focusing on their definitions and the assumptions underlying their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that R∞ is calculated under the assumption of a fixed nucleus, implying an infinite mass, while R_H accounts for the actual mass of the proton, which can move.
  • It is suggested that in equations where an infinite mass of the proton is assumed, one can replace the mass of the electron with the reduced mass of the electron-proton system to obtain a more accurate value.
  • One participant raises a question about why a fixed nucleus implies an infinite mass, prompting further explanation.
  • Another participant explains that an infinite-mass nucleus would be considered "fixed" in terms of the atom's internal dynamics, and discusses how the center of mass shifts as the mass of the nucleus increases relative to the electron.
  • There is a mention of positronium as an example where both particles would revolve around a common center of mass, illustrating the concept further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of fixed versus moving nuclei, and while some explanations are provided, there is no consensus on the foundational assumptions or the implications of these constants.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about mass and motion that are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the implications of using an infinite mass in calculations and how this affects the interpretation of Rydberg's constants.

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What is the difference between R∞ and R_{H}? Physically and mathematically.
Thanks
 
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What is the difference between R∞ and R_{H}? Physically and mathematically.
Thanks

R_\infty is calculated assuming a fixed nucleus (thus assuming an infinite mass), while R_\mathrm{H} is calculated for an actual proton that can move (thus in the center-of-mass frame).

In any equation where an infinite mass of the proton was assumed, you only need to replace the mass of the electron with the reduced mass of the electron+proton system to get the correct value ("correct" in the sense that you are not making the approximation that the proton cannot move).
 
Thank you a LOT! Sorry it took me time to recheck this thread. I would just like to know one more thing:why is it that a fixed nucleus implies an infinite mass?
 
Turn it the other way around: an infinite-mass nucleus would be "fixed" as far as the atom's internal behavior is concerned.

If the nucleus and electron had the same mass (e.g. if we used a positron instead of a proton in hydrogen... look up positronium), they would both "revolve" around a point halfway between them, the center of mass of the system. (Of course this is a quantum-mechanical system so they don't revolve in the usual sense, but there is an analogous effect.)

As the mass of the nucleus increases relative to the electron, the center of mass shifts closer to the nucleus. In the limit as the mass of the nucleus goes to infinity, the center of mass approaches the center of the nucleus, in which case the nucleus wouldn't revolve at all.
 
Oh my! That was a great answer! Thanks
 

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