Sakurai page 91: Simple Harmonic Oscillator, trouble understanding

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of the simple harmonic oscillator as presented in J. J. Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics." Participants explore the derivation of operator relationships, specifically the actions of the annihilation operator \( a \) and the creation operator \( a^{\dagger} \) on quantum states, as well as the implications of these relationships in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant outlines the derivation of the action of the creation operator \( a^{\dagger} \) on the state \( | n \rangle \) and expresses difficulty in finding a simpler method.
  • The same participant notes a potential confusion regarding the relationship \( \langle n | a a^{\dagger} | n \rangle = n + 1 \) and questions the implications of \( n + 1 = n^{*} \), suggesting a possible misunderstanding of the terms involved.
  • Another participant clarifies that the adjoint of the number operator \( N \) is equal to itself, \( N^{\dagger} = a^{\dagger} a \), and not \( a a^{\dagger} \), which may address the confusion raised.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the commutation relation \( [\hat{a}, \hat{a}^{\dagger}] = 1 \) for understanding the simple harmonic motion and related Hamiltonians.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the derivation of the operator relationships and the implications of certain equations. There is no consensus on a simpler method for deriving the action of \( a^{\dagger} \) on \( | n \rangle \), and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the equality involving \( n \) and \( n^{*} \).

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of operators and their adjoints, as well as the mathematical steps involved in the derivations, which may not be fully resolved or clarified.

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From page 91 of "Modern Quantum Mechanics, revised edition", by J. J. Sakurai.

Some operators used below are,
<br /> a = \sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{2 \hbar}} \left(x + \frac{ip}{m \omega} \right)\\<br /> a^{\dagger} = \sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{2 \hbar}} \left(x - \frac{ip}{m \omega} \right)\\<br /> N = a^{\dagger} a<br />

In equation (2.3.16), he finds
<br /> a \mid n \rangle = \sqrt{n} \mid n - 1 \rangle<br />
Next he says it's similarly easy to show equation (2.3.17),
<br /> a^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = \sqrt{n+1} \mid n + 1 \rangle<br />
I didn't find it to be so easy. Following the same procedure as equation (2.3.16), since from equation (2.3.12a),
<br /> Na^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = (n+1) a ^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle<br />, I took
<br /> a^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = c \mid n + 1 \rangle<br />, where c is some constant. Then,
<br /> \langle n \mid a a^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = | c |^2<br />
To find a^{\dagger} a,
<br /> \begin{eqnarray}<br /> a a^{\dagger}<br /> &amp; = &amp; \left( \frac{m \omega}{2 \hbar} \right) \left( x + \frac{ip}{m \omega} \right) \left( x - \frac{ip}{m \omega} \right)\\<br /> &amp; = &amp; \frac{H}{\hbar \omega} + \frac{1}{2}\\<br /> \end{eqnarray}<br />
Since it is proven in equation (2.3.5) and (2.3.6) that H = \hbar \omega (N + \frac{1}{2}), I get,
<br /> a a^{\dagger} = N + 1<br />
Then,
<br /> \langle n \mid a a^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = \langle n \mid N + 1 \mid n \rangle = n + 1<br />
Therefore, from above,
<br /> c = \sqrt{n+1}<br />, which gives,
<br /> a^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = \sqrt{n+1} \mid n + 1 \rangle<br />, which is the desired result.

But is there an easier way to get this?

At the same time,
<br /> a a^{\dagger} = N^{\dagger}<br />
So,
<br /> \langle n \mid a a^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = \langle n \mid N^{\dagger} \mid n \rangle = n^{*}<br />
Therefore,
<br /> n+1 = n^{*}<br />
How can this happen? I can't see this happening unless the real component of n tends to be infinity.
 
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N^\dagger = (a^\dagger a)^\dagger = a^\dagger (a^\dagger)^\dagger = a^\dagger a \neq a a^\dagger

Hope that helps :)
 
LOL, thanks.
 
The commutation relation
\left[\hat{a},\hat{a}^{\dagger}\right] = 1
will be very, very useful for the SHM and many other applications involving similar-looking Hamiltonians.
 

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