Salt Bridges in Cells: Voltage & Distance

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The discussion revolves around the role of salt bridges in electrochemical cells, specifically focusing on how the distance of electrodes from the salt bridge may influence the voltage of the cell. Participants explore the theoretical implications and practical effects of salt bridges on current flow and potential differences in various setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that salt bridges maintain charge to allow reactions to proceed, while others argue that they close the circuit and facilitate charge flow.
  • One participant asserts that the open circuit voltage is independent of cell geometry, though the geometry and size of the electrodes can affect internal resistance, thus limiting the maximum current.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that salt bridges primarily destroy the junction potential between the electrolytic solution and the electrodes, maintaining a constant current flow.
  • A participant questions how salt bridges can affect junction potential when they are located in a different part of the circuit, suggesting that while junction potential may remain stable, battery potential could decrease due to charge accumulation near the cathode.
  • It is noted that the concentration changes of ions can lower junction potential, but this effect is not influenced by the length or distance of the salt bridge.
  • One participant explains that a longer salt bridge would require a larger electric field to maintain current flow, which could lead to increased positive charge around the cathode and a decrease in battery potential.
  • Another participant reiterates that the salt bridge behaves similarly to the internal resistance of the battery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the function of salt bridges and their impact on junction and battery potentials. There is no consensus on the best way to describe the role of salt bridges or the implications of their distance from electrodes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the behavior of ions and electric fields in relation to salt bridges, as well as the dependence on specific configurations of electrochemical cells.

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I know that salt bridges maintain charge, thus allowing the reaction to proceed. I was wondering if the distance of the electrodes from the salt bridge affects the voltage of the cell in any way. Thanks!
 
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Natalie456 said:
I know that salt bridges maintain charge

I am not convinced that's the best of wording of the salt bridge purpose (they don't 'maintain', they close the circuit and allow the charge to flow).

Natalie456 said:
I was wondering if the distance of the electrodes from the salt bridge affects the voltage of the cell in any way

Open circuit voltage - no, this is independent of the cell geometry. However, the geometry of the electrodes and size of the cell do change the internal cell resistance, so they limit maximum current battery can deliver.
 
Salt bridges mainly destroy the junction potential between the electrolytic solution & the electrodes, thus maintaining the constant flow of current.
 
Anindya Mondal said:
destroy the junction potential between the electrolytic solution & the electrodes

And how are they going to destroy the junction potential when they are in a completely different part of the circuit?
 
Borek said:
And how are they going to destroy the junction potential when they are in a completely different part of the circuit?
I think the junction potential may be fine, but the battery potential will go down.
Consider the cathode of a lemon battery where the reaction is: Zn + 2H+ -> Zn2+ + H2. The produced positive ions will give the electrolyte a positive charge. If the positive charge can't be neutralized by ions from elsewhere, the potential of the cathode wil go down, because of all the positive charge near it, but the junction potential between the negative cathode and the positive electrolyte won't change.

(There is another effect. The changed concentration of Zn2+ and H+ ions will lower the junction potential, but this shouldn't be affected by the length or distance of the salt bridge)

The positive charge around the cathode and negative charge around the anode produce an electric field that drives the current through the salt bridge.
If the salt bridge becomes longer, a larger electric field will be needed to drive the same amount of current through the salt bridge, so more positive charge will remain around the cathode, and the battery potential will go down. Increasing the current will have the same effect. The salt bridge acts just like internal resistance of the battery.
 
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willem2 said:
The salt bridge acts just like internal resistance of the battery.

Which is why in my first post I have specifically referred to the open circuit voltage.
 
Thanks for all the help! I think I have a solid answer, now.
 

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