Saturated Fatty Acids: What's the Right Answer?

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The discussion revolves around a test question regarding the properties of saturated fatty acids, specifically the interpretation of the correct answer among the options provided. Participants explore the definitions and implications of saturation in fatty acids, including the role of double bonds and the carboxyl group, within the context of a classroom setting.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the correct answer is (d) because it considers the maximum number of single bonds, while (a) does not clarify the context of double bonds in the carboxyl group.
  • Another participant suggests that (a) is technically correct but acknowledges the ambiguity in the question and the potential for misinterpretation.
  • Some participants express frustration with the quality of the question and the professor's handling of the topic, indicating a lack of clarity in the definitions used.
  • A later reply proposes a strategy for appealing the question by reframing it as true-false statements to highlight the ambiguities in both answers.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of politeness and diplomacy when addressing the professor regarding the challenge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the question is poorly constructed and that both answers have ambiguities. However, there is no consensus on which answer is definitively correct, as differing interpretations of the definitions and assumptions lead to competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that assumptions must be made regarding the definitions of saturated fatty acids, particularly concerning the presence of double bonds and the role of the carboxyl group, which complicates the evaluation of the answers.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying organic chemistry or biochemistry, particularly those interested in fatty acid structures and properties, may find this discussion relevant.

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I got my test back and one of the questions was the following

Which is a property of a saturated fatty acid?
(a) no double bonds
(b) (c) rubbish
(d) maximum number of single bonds

I answered (d), but the professor says it's (a).

I don't think it's (a) for two reasons-- a pi double bond between carbon and oxygen in the carboxyl group of hte molecule (as 'a' never specified no double bonds in carbon to carbon chain), and (d) is correct--apart from the pi carbon/oxygen bond, all others must be single in order for the fatty acid to be fully saturated with hydrogen.

Where am I going wrong?
 
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I sincerely think I might be right, can anybody confirm it?
 
It's a lousy question; he offered lousy answers. That said, go with "a." You can expoxidize a double bond and get a "maximum number of single bonds," going to be a rather weird acid, but semantically not a "saturated fatty acid." Probably best not to argue from your "semantic" point that the acid contains a carbonyl group --- if you can "sell" the ambiguity of the two choices in a diplomatic fashion, you might stand a chance. If you're dealing with a "hard-head," give it up for this case, and remember it for the next.
 
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First, thanks for the reply =D

I agree it was a lousy question (the truth being my professor does not seem truly sure of what he is doing at times). However, I fail to see how "a" could be a better answer than "d" when I have to make assumptions in order for "a" to be correct.

He is a hardhead and was rather rude when I asked him about it... he told me I should've known to ignore the carboxyl group. But if we ignore the carboxyl group, what do we call the molecule? Fatty? =P And how would it bond to glycerol? In fact, how would that make "d" wrong?

Luckily if I opt to challenge (which I'm thinking about), soembody else will review the challenge.

Btw, I have no clue what expoxidize means, but it sounds complicated and I wouldnt' expect us to have to know it.
 
Any challenge needs to be based on the ambiguities implicit in both possible answers, and on the fact that you have to make assumptions in both cases. Do NOT try to assert that you are correct and the instructor is NOT --- that will create bad feelings. Leave room for the "face-saving" acknowledgment that the answers were ambiguous.
 
I think you may win if you restate the question as a true-false type question in appeal. Thus the question "does saturated fatty acid have double bonds--true or false--and the correct answer is false due to C = O bond. Next the question "does saturated fatty acid have maximum number of single bonds" -- true or false--and the correct answer is true.
Thus, while answer (a) can be false is some situation answer (d) can never be false--thus answer (d) is "better" answer than (a). Good luck with your appeal.
 
I'm goign with that strategy, but I always try to be as polite as possible (although in a class of 100s in highly unlikely for him to remember who I am, however I like to believe I'm a good mannered individual anyway, go figure =/)
 
end3r7 said:
I'm goign with that strategy, but I always try to be as polite as possible (although in a class of 100s in highly unlikely for him to remember who I am, however I like to believe I'm a good mannered individual anyway, go figure =/)
end3r7--there is an error in my first true-false question, you need to add the word "no" before the words "double bonds"--this is the way the test question (a) is stated. Sorry for the confusion, good luck with your appeal.
 

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