Scattering Cross Section - At high energies

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The discussion revolves around the scattering cross section in high-energy particle physics, specifically comparing the processes of electron-positron annihilation into muon pairs and tau pairs. Participants explore the implications of energy levels on the behavior of these interactions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants analyze the propagator factors for different scattering processes and question how these factors behave at high energies. They discuss the implications of the center of mass energy and the role of different interaction channels (s-channel and t-channel) in determining cross sections.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical expressions governing the scattering processes. Some participants suggest that the cross sections approach unity at high energies, while others raise questions about the validity of this assumption in different scenarios.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the interactions at high energies, particularly concerning the equivalence of propagator factors and the presence of different interaction channels. Participants are also considering the implications of symmetry in the scattering processes.

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Homework Statement



Why does ## \frac{ e^+ + e^- \rightarrow \mu^+ + \mu^- }{e^+ + e^- \rightarrow \tau^+ + \tau^- } \rightarrow 1## at high energies?

Would it be the same if it was ## \frac{ e^+ + e^- \rightarrow \mu^+ + \mu^- }{e^+ + e^- \rightarrow e^+ + e^- }##?

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For the first reaction, propagator factor for the photon is ##\frac{1}{(2E)^2 - m_\gamma^2} = \frac{1}{4E^2}##. Two vertex factors are ##g_{EM}^2##. Thus ## |M_{fi}|^2 = |\frac{g_{EM}^2}{4E_e^2}|^2##.

Fermi's golden rule is given by:
\Gamma = 2\pi |M_{fi}|^2 \frac{dN}{dE_f}

Differential cross section is number of particles scattered per unit solid angle per unit time divided by flux:

\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega} = \frac{1}{2\nu_e} \Gamma = \frac{1}{2\nu_e} 2\pi |M_{fi}|^2 \frac{dN}{dE_f}

The density of states is given by: ##dN = \frac{p^2_\mu}{(2\pi)^3} d\Omega dp_\mu## and substituting gives:

d\sigma = \frac{1}{2\nu_e} 2\pi |M_{fi}|^2 \frac{p^2}{(2\pi)^3} \frac{dp}{dE_0} d\Omega

At high energies, ##E_\mu \approx \frac{1}{2} E_0##, so ## \frac{dp_\mu}{dE_0} = \frac{1}{2} \frac{dp_\mu}{dE_\mu} = \frac{E_\mu}{p_\mu}##.
 
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At high energies, ##v_\mu \approx c##, so ##\frac{dp_\mu}{dE_\mu} = \frac{1}{2} \frac{E_\mu}{p_\mu} = \frac{1}{2c} = \frac{1}{2}##, letting c=1. This gives:

d\sigma = \frac{1}{2\nu_e} 2\pi \left( \frac{g_{EM}^2}{4E_e^2} \right)^2 \frac{p^2}{(2\pi)^3} \frac{1}{2} d\Omega

\sigma = \frac{1}{2\nu_e} 2\pi \left( \frac{g_{EM}^2}{4E_e^2} \right)^2 \frac{p^2}{(2\pi)^3} \frac{1}{2} 4\pi

= \frac{1}{64} \frac{1}{\nu_e} \frac{1}{\pi} \frac{g_{EM}^2}{E_e^4} p_\mu^2

Using ##\frac{g_{EM}^2}{4\pi} = \alpha##,

\sigma = \frac{\pi}{4} \frac{1}{\nu_e} \frac{p_\mu^2}{E_e^4} \alpha^2

For highly relativistic case, ##p_\mu \approx E_\mu = E_e## and ##\nu_e \approx c = 1##.

\sigma = \frac{\pi}{4} \frac{1}{E^2} = \pi \frac{\alpha^2}{(2E)^2} = \pi \frac{\alpha^2}{s^2}
where ##s=2E## is the centre of mass energy.
 
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Since the scattering cross section only depends on:

a) Centre of mass energy
b) ##g_{EM}##

Wouldn't both ##\rightarrow 1## at high energies (##p >> m##)?
 
unscientific said:
Wouldn't both →1\rightarrow 1 at high energies (p>>mp >> m)?

I find the 2nd question a little tricky...
For the first you dealt only for one possible channel : the s-channel ..
For the second case however, the electrons can also "not interact" at all... apart from annihilating and giving again e^+/- pair..
 
ChrisVer said:
I find the 2nd question a little tricky...
For the first you dealt only for one possible channel : the s-channel ..
For the second case however, the electrons can also "not interact" at all... apart from annihilating and giving again e^+/- pair..

I think I got it.

Part (a)
The cross section is proportional to ##|M_{fi}|^2##.

First process is given by:

e^+ + e^- \rightarrow \gamma^* \rightarrow \mu^+ + \mu^-

The propagator factor for this process is ## \frac{1}{P \cdot P - m_\gamma^2} = \frac{1}{P \cdot P}## since ##m_\gamma = 0 ##.

Second process is given by:

e^+ + e^- \rightarrow Z^0 \rightarrow \tau^+ + \tau^-

The propagator factor for this process is ## \frac{1}{P \cdot P - m_Z^2} ##.

At high energies, this propagator factor ##\approx \frac{1}{P \cdot P}##

Thus they approach 1 at high energies.

Part (b)

Wouldn't this always be true? Given that the propagator factor for both are equal to ##\frac{1}{P \cdot P}##.
 
The part a is clear for you I think... Even for photon interactions alone, the ratio you give approaches 1 for high energies...it can also be done for the Z0.

For part b, you don't have to think of propagators alone...
you can have:
e^- e^+ \rightarrow \gamma^* \rightarrow e^- e^+ (s-channel)
as well as
e^- e^+ \rightarrow e^- e^+ ...by t-channel...they don't have to annihilate to photon and produce the pairs again as you have to do for the case of muon products.
 
a1.jpg
 
ChrisVer said:

Their vertex factors are equal, since they the muons and electrons have equal charge.

But what about their propagator factors?
 
For high energies, the propagators of the weak and electromagnetic interaction are the same. It goes as \frac{1}{s}
The difference comes by the 2nd diagram that is possible for the electron/positron products interaction and doesn't exist for the muons.
 
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ChrisVer said:
For high energies, the propagators of the weak and electromagnetic interaction are the same. It goes as \frac{1}{s}
The difference comes by the 2nd diagram that is possible for the electron/positron products interaction.

Which process dominates? Which is the "s-channel" and which is the "t-channel"?
 
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unscientific said:
Which process dominates? Which is the "s-channel" and which is the "t-channel"?

In my figure the diagram with muons and the same one with electrons are the s-channel processes.
The extra diagram for the e^- \rightarrow e^- and e^+ \rightarrow e^+ which exists only for the e^-e^+ \rightarrow e^+ e^- process is the t-channel...

I don't understand what you mean by "dominates". I am explainging why:
\frac{e^+e^- \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-}{e^+e^- \rightarrow e^+e^-} shouldn't be 1.
 
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ChrisVer said:
In my figure the diagram with muons and the same one with electrons are the s-channel processes.
The extra diagram for the e^- \rightarrow e^- and e^+ \rightarrow e^+ which exists only for the e^-e^+ \rightarrow e^+ e^- process is the t-channel...

I don't understand what you mean by "dominates". I am explainging why:
\frac{e^+e^- \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-}{e^+e^- \rightarrow e^+e^-} shouldn't be 1.

All three are in the same picture.

By "dominate" I mean which is most frequent/most likely?
 
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a1.jpg
 
  • #14
ChrisVer said:
Got it. For electron-positron scattering, is the s-channel more likely or the t-channel more likely?
 
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Both are the same (I think), since the interaction is symmetric under the interchange t \leftrightarrow s
But nevertheless, how can this "help" you?
 

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