Scharnhorst effect - faster or slower than c?

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In summary, the Scharnhorst effect proposes that the speed of light can be altered by changing the vacuum properties. This effect is too small to be measured, but it is still interesting to consider in terms of principle. The effect does not contradict the basic principles of relativity, but it does suggest that the vacuum properties can impact the speed of light. However, it is not possible to measure the faster-than-c velocity of light predicted by this effect. This is due to the fact that the plates involved have weight, causing the light to travel slower in a gravitational well. Overall, the Scharnhorst effect raises questions about the nature of vacuum energy and its impact on the speed of light.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect

I am confused.
As wiki states "The time the photon's energy spends as subluminal electron-positron pairs lowers the observed speed of light in a vacuum"

So light travels at c=1, spending some time in a form of subluminal electron-positron pairs with v<1. It makes an effective speed of light <1.

Why wiki talks about FTL?
 
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I think the point is that the value of c we measure in vacuum already includes this effect, i.e., The value we measure and qoute is after this "slowing down". Now, when a photon travels between conducting plates, then the "slowing down" is smaller than in vacuum due to the absence of large wavelengths because of the boundry conditions. Therefore the photon's speed will be larger than the what we measure in vacuum.

However, I'm not sure if what they claim is really true
 
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Science News, 1990, cited in the Wikipedia says this:

But the predicted increase in speed is exceedingly small and occurs only for light propagating perpendicular to the plates. For parallel plates just 1 micron apart, the change amounts to roughly on part in 1036.

"It's laughably small," Barton says. "The effects are too small by many orders of magnitude to be measured, but appear fascinating as matters of principle."

The results don't call into question anything basic about relativity theory, Barton argues. "All this says is that if you really had infinitely extended, parallel mirrors, then at right angles to these, there is still a maximum speed - in the same way that ordinary relativity says there is a maximum speed called c in empty space."

Seems that, in simple terms, they are saying 'if you slightly change the nature of space, that is it's vacuum energy, the speed of light will change slightly'...
seems reasonable on the surface.

In a separate physics letter cited by Wikipedia, it is concluded by different scientists that no measure of the faster than c velocity of light predicted by the Scharnhorst effect is possible.
 
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It is obvious that you can't measure it: plates (under tension because of Casimir effect) have weight, so light will be traveling in gravitation well, slower than c to external observer.

Still, it is interesting...

Another related question, what's about the magnitude of the same effect in a FALSE (dense) vacuum?
 
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I don't think they are saying that light will faster than c. They are actually saying that by changing vacuum permittivity and vacuum permeability, it is possible to change the speed of light, c itself!
 
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That photon cannot move faster than c, can be derived from two assumptions:
1) Photon mass is zero.
2) Lorentz invariance

In the Scharnhorst effect (and similarly in the effect studied in http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0301275 ) photon moves faster than c because it is assumption 2) which is violated. Namely, the plates define a preferred Lorentz frame (with respect to which the plates are at rest), the effect of which is that Lorentz invariance is violated.
 

What is the Scharnhorst effect?

The Scharnhorst effect, also known as the Scharnhorst-Wheeler effect, is a theoretical phenomenon in which the propagation speed of light in a vacuum is faster than the speed of light (c) predicted by Einstein's theory of relativity.

Is the Scharnhorst effect real?

The Scharnhorst effect is currently only a theoretical concept and has not been proven experimentally. Some scientists believe that it may be possible in certain conditions, but it has not been observed or measured.

How does the Scharnhorst effect challenge Einstein's theory of relativity?

The Scharnhorst effect challenges Einstein's theory of relativity because it suggests that the speed of light in a vacuum is not a constant and can be faster than the predicted speed of c. This goes against the fundamental principles of relativity and would require a rethinking of our understanding of the laws of physics.

What conditions are necessary for the Scharnhorst effect to occur?

The Scharnhorst effect is thought to occur in certain conditions, such as in a vacuum with a strong electric field or near a black hole. However, these conditions are purely theoretical and have not been observed in real-world experiments.

What are the implications of the Scharnhorst effect?

If the Scharnhorst effect were to be proven true, it would have significant implications for our understanding of the laws of physics and could potentially lead to new technologies that utilize the faster-than-light propagation of light. However, until it is confirmed through experimentation, these implications remain purely theoretical.

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