Schrödinger Equation in the classical limit

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the Schrödinger Equation in the classical limit, specifically when the mass of a particle approaches infinity or when Planck's constant approaches zero. Participants explore how this relates to classical physics and the transition from quantum mechanics to classical mechanics.

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  • One participant questions how the Schrödinger Equation reduces to classical physics in the classical limit, drawing a parallel to the Galilei Transformation.
  • Another participant references the Ehrenfest theorem as relevant to the discussion.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the substitution of the wave function into the Schrödinger Equation, leading to the classical Hamilton-Jacobi equation in the limit of Planck's constant approaching zero.
  • It is noted that a wave packet must have a width much larger than the de Broglie wavelength for the classical limit to be applicable.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of mass in the classical limit, with some suggesting that large mass does not necessarily imply a classical object, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of wave functions and the conditions under which the classical limit is valid, which may not be fully resolved.

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I am currently trying to learn a little about quantum mechanics, although not on very detailed level. There is one thing I wonder:

What happens with the Schrödinger Equation in the classical limit, i.e. when either the mass of the particle tends to infinity or when Planck's constant tends to 0?
Somehow, this should be reduced to classical physics, similar to letting c tend to infinity in the Lorentz Transformation leads to the Galilei Transformation. But I cannot see how we get some classical equation from the Schrödinger Equation in a similar case...
 
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Erland said:
I am currently trying to learn a little about quantum mechanics, although not on very detailed level. There is one thing I wonder:

What happens with the Schrödinger Equation in the classical limit, i.e. when either the mass of the particle tends to infinity or when Planck's constant tends to 0?

Big mass does not imply classical object. So the classical limit, as you will see below, concerns only with Planck constant.
Start from the Schrödinger equation (if you know it):
i \hbar \frac{ \partial \Psi ( x , t )}{ \partial t } = H ( \hat{ x } , \hat{ p } ) \Psi ( x , t ) .
Now substitute
\Psi ( x , t ) = R( x , t ) e^{ i S ( x , t ) / \hbar } ,
in the Schrödinger equation, you find
\frac{ i \hbar }{ R } \frac{ \partial R }{ \partial t } = \frac{ \partial S }{ \partial t } + H ( \hat{ x } , \frac{ \partial S }{ \partial \hat{ x } } ) .
So formally, in the limit \hbar \rightarrow 0, you obtain the classical Hamilton-Jacobi equation
\frac{ \partial S }{ \partial t } + H ( x , \frac{ \partial S }{ \partial x } ) = 0 .
What really is happening in the classical limit is that, there is a wave packet of width much larger than the de Broglie wave length, in the detailed Scrodinger equation you will have
\frac{ \hbar^{ 2 } }{ 2 m } | \frac{ \nabla^{ 2 } R }{ R } | \ll | \frac{ ( \nabla S )^{ 2 } }{ 2 m } | .
 
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Thanks! I guess I have to look up Hamilton-Jacobi theory.
 

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