Schwarzschild Metric with multiple masses

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rate at which time flows in the gravitational field created by multiple masses, specifically focusing on the Schwarzschild metric and its application to scenarios involving two or more masses. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical modeling related to general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the method for calculating time flow in the gravitational field of multiple masses and how their effects combine.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing the appropriate metric solution to Einstein's equations is necessary for this calculation.
  • A different viewpoint highlights the nonlinearity of Einstein's equations, indicating that exact superposition of solutions may not be possible, implying the need for approximate models.
  • Further, a participant discusses the PPN approximation, which is applicable in weak fields and low velocities, providing a formula for the metric coefficient and time dilation factor based on the Newtonian potential energy.
  • The participant elaborates on the conditions under which the PPN approximation is valid and provides a formula for calculating the potential energy contributions from multiple masses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the feasibility of calculating time dilation in the presence of multiple masses, with some acknowledging the complexity and need for approximations while others focus on specific mathematical formulations. No consensus is reached on a definitive method for combining the effects of multiple masses.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations related to the assumptions underlying the PPN approximation and the conditions under which it is valid, as well as the challenges posed by the nonlinearity of Einstein's equations.

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I know that it's possible to calculate the rate at which time flows when in the gravitational field of a single spherical mass.

But how do you calculate the rate when there are two masses or more? How do they add together?
 
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In order to calculate this, you need to know the metric that is the solution to Einstein's equation for this particular physical situation.

Regards,
George
 
Since Einstein's Equations are nonlinear PDEs, one may not be able to superpose solutions exactly. Some approximate model will probably have to be used.
 
Exact solutions are very difficult. The PPN approximation, which is valid only in weak fields/low velocities gives the metric coefficient g_00 = 1-2U (in geometric units), where U is the Newtonian potential energy. This means that the time dilation factor is sqrt(1-2U), which is equal to 1-U in the region where the approximation is valid (U << 1).

Note that gravity in the solar system can be considered to be "weak field".

By "time dilation factor" I mean a number less than 1, i.e. a time dilation factor of .5 means that a clock at that location run half - fast (though such a large time dilation factor would be outside the region where the PPN approximation worked well).

U is the [correction] negative of the Newtonian potential energy / unit mass (U is always positive, the energy is always negative) which is dimensionless when c=1 (i.e when one is using geometric units). U must be zero at infinity.

So roughly speaking, if one is at a distance r1 from mass m1 and a distance r2 from mass m2 in a weak field

U = m1/r1 + m2/r2 (in geometric units). (Note the sign correction).

In non geometric units, one would write the time dilation factor (defined in the same way) as

1 - G*m1/(r1*c^2) - G*m2/(r2*c^2)
 
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Thank you for your answers. That helps a lot.
 

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