Sci-Fi Story Idea: Avatar Autonomy & Black Hole Singularity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a sci-fi story idea involving the concepts of consciousness, virtual reality, and the effects of black holes on time perception. Participants explore the implications of these ideas within a speculative narrative framework, touching on themes of autonomy in virtual beings and the nature of reality.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that consciousness arises from increased complexity, suggesting that computer avatars could achieve autonomy within a virtual world.
  • Another participant notes that the gravity of a black hole increases time dilation, which contrasts with the initial premise of the story idea.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of running a simulation program close to light speed and its implications for time dilation.
  • There is a suggestion that situating a simulation near a black hole could allow for unique time manipulation, although the mechanics of this are debated.
  • One participant expresses interest in exploring philosophical questions about the nature of existence within a simulation and the implications of discovering inconsistencies in that reality.
  • Another participant challenges the scientific basis of the ideas presented, suggesting a move to a philosophical discussion instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the scientific validity of the concepts discussed, with some supporting the speculative nature of the ideas while others argue that they lack a basis in established science. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility and implications of the proposed scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of consciousness, the mechanics of time dilation near black holes, and the operational capabilities of future technologies. There are also references to external discussions that may contain corrections or critiques of the ideas presented.

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I was thinking of idea for a sci-fi story and not being a physicist wanted to know if there are any fundamental weaknesses in the support conjectures. First I allow for some givens, which of course are far from "givens" within the scientific community. The first given is that consciousness arises as the result of increased complexity whereby as the technology increases computer "avatar" characters, (the beings which inhabit a virtual world), may achieve autonomy and actually believe themselves to exist within their virtual world. The next "given" is that if such a program were situated in close proximity to a singularity, say a constructed mini black hole that while from the time view of the inhabitants of this virtual world time would appear to run quite normally, it would be in sharp contrast to the program observers. I might include the "dark matter" anomaly as a clue to one of the virtual characters of the unreal nature. I would also place this program close enough to the black hole construction whereby the strong gravity would cause a huge time difference so that a 15 billion year program could be run in say 3 hours. (I have a bit more on this but I have to leave for a while and will return to this post later.)
 
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As with all these threads, it's sci-fi. Do what you like.

One note, the gravity of a black hole increases time, not decreases it. The higher the gravity, the more time dilation occurs.
 
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Thanks jaredandjames, actually I thought about that after I posted this sci-fi conjecture. I was trying to resolve this and I thought that perhaps if the simulation program was run close to light speed could it perhaps then be slowed down by situating it close to a black hole? I would really appreciate any feedback you could provide as I try to rethink this.
 
What do you mean "run close to light speed"?

Do you mean when a ship is at lightspeed?

Note, a computer doesn't work at lightspeed, it can't, so I'm not sure what you're going for here.

Travelling at lightspeed doesn't increase the speed of a computer.
 
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Yes, I realize the program could not be run at light speed. I was trying to use what is now known about time dilation to form a possible method for a future advanced civilization to use in creating and recording a universe like simulation. I recently watched on yahoo a video of this 13 year old college physics teacher, Jake Barnett, who seemed to be indicating there were some expansions possible in Einstein's relativity equations. I would also like to develop the scenario within which an inhabitant of this virtual realm comes to realize, perhaps in exploring some inconsistency, such as dark matter for example, that the universe he or she inhabits cannot be the true universe. I would like to explore some questions, such as if it would really matter if one was living in a simulation?
 
Then I suggest you request this be moved to philosophy. There's no basis for it in science.

I'd also recommend you read through this: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=484331

It's a thread on that boy you mentioned and he's been flagged as making some obvious mistakes.
 

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