Second Order ODE, With Initial Conditions

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) with initial conditions. The equation is given as y'' + 4y = t² + 6e^t, with initial conditions y(0) = 0 and y'(0) = 5.

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  • Participants discuss finding the general solution, including complementary and particular solutions, using methods like undetermined coefficients. There are questions about the correctness of constants and the application of initial conditions to the general solution.

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Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some providing corrections and clarifications regarding the application of initial conditions. There is no explicit consensus on the final solution, but multiple interpretations and methods are being discussed.

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Some participants question the setup of the particular solution and the constants involved, indicating potential confusion about the method of undetermined coefficients and the initial conditions' application.

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Homework Statement


y'' + 4y = t2 + 6et; y(0) = 0; y'(0) = 5

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The Attempt at a Solution



So, getting the general solution, we have r2 + 4 = 0, so r = +/- 2i

So the general solution is yc = sin(2t) + cos(2t)

I then used the method of undetermined coefficients to figure that the particular solution had a form At2 + Bt + C + Det + E = 0, and found that A = 0.25, B = 0 , C = 0, D = 1.2, E = 2

So the overall solution is y = c1sin(2t) + c2cos(2t) + 0.25t2 + 1.2et + 2

The derivative is y' = 2c1*cos(2t) - 2c2*sin(2t) + 0.5t + 1.2et

So I got that 0 = 0 + c2 + 0 + 1.2 + 2, which means that c2 + 3.2 = 0, which means that c2 = -3.2

5 = 2c1 - 0 + 0 + 1.2, which means that 2c1 = 3.8, and c1 = 1.9

So the overall equation should be y = 1.9sin(2t) - 3.2*cos(2t) + 0.25t2 + 1.2et + 2.

But when I enter it as an answer, it tells me it's wrong. Where did I make a mistake?
 
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checkmatechamp said:

Homework Statement


y'' + 4y = t2 + 6et; y(0) = 0; y'(0) = 5

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



So, getting the general solution, we have r2 + 4 = 0, so r = +/- 2i

So the general solution is yc = sin(2t) + cos(2t)

No, this is only the complementary solution, i.e. the solution to the homogeneous equation.

I then used the method of undetermined coefficients to figure that the particular solution had a form At2 + Bt + C + Det + E = 0, and found that A = 0.25, B = 0 , C = 0, D = 1.2, E = 2

Why do you have two different constant terms?

So the overall solution is y = c1sin(2t) + c2cos(2t) + 0.25t2 + 1.2et + 2

The derivative is y' = 2c1*cos(2t) - 2c2*sin(2t) + 0.5t + 1.2et

So I got that 0 = 0 + c2 + 0 + 1.2 + 2, which means that c2 + 3.2 = 0, which means that c2 = -3.2

5 = 2c1 - 0 + 0 + 1.2, which means that 2c1 = 3.8, and c1 = 1.9

So the overall equation should be y = 1.9sin(2t) - 3.2*cos(2t) + 0.25t2 + 1.2et + 2.

But when I enter it as an answer, it tells me it's wrong. Where did I make a mistake?

The general solution of the ODE is the sum of the particular solution and the complementary solution.

Also, you can't apply the initial conditions solely to the complementary solution. These must be applied to the general solution of the ODE to work out the values of the undetermined coefficients.

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/UndeterminedCoefficients.aspx
 
Alright, so for the particular solution:
yp = At^2 + Bt + C + De^t
yp' = 2At + B + De^t
yp'' = 2A + De^t

2A + De^t + 4(At^2 + Bt + C + De^t) = t^2 + 6e^t

2A + De^t + 4At^2 + 4Bt + 4C + De^t = t^2 + 6e^t

So grouping the terms together, you get 4A = 1, so A = 0.25

De^t = 6e^t, so D = 6

2A + 4C = 0
2(1) + 4C = 0
4C = -2
C = -0.5

So yp = 0.25t^2 - 0.5 + 6e^t

y = c1sin(2t) + c2cos(2t) + 6e^t + 0.25t^2 - 0.5

y' = 2c1*cos(2t) - 2c2*sin(2t) + 0.5t + 6e^t

0 = 0 + c2 + 6 + 0 - 0.5
-5.5 = c2

5 = 2c1 + 6

2c1 = -1

c1 = -0.5

So the final solution is y = -0.5sin(2t) -5.5 cos(2t) + 6e^t + 0.25t^2 - 0.5. Does this look correct?
 
You can check it yourself. It's good practice.

Does it satisfy the original ODE?

Does it satisfy the initial values prescribed for y and y'?
 
After some checking, I finally entered the answer y = 1.9*sin(2t) - 1.075*cos(2t) + 0.25t^2 - 0.125 + 1.2e^t. Thank you so much for your help! :)
 

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