Secondary Identity Confirmation

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The discussion revolves around the trigonometric identity involving the expression $$1 - \cos2\theta + \cos8\theta - \cos10\theta$$. Participants are attempting to simplify this expression and confirm its equivalence to the form $$4\sin\theta\cos4\theta\sin5\theta$$, exploring various approaches and identities related to trigonometric functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial approach to simplify the expression using trigonometric identities, leading to an intermediate form but expressing difficulty in completing the identity.
  • Another participant suggests using the identity $$1 - \cos(10\theta) = 2\sin^2(5\theta)$$ and factors the expression into $$2\sin(5\theta)(\sin(5\theta) - \sin(3\theta))$$.
  • A further identity is introduced, where $$\sin(5\theta) - \sin(3\theta) = 2\sin(\theta)\cos(4\theta)$$, which is noted as a step towards completing the simplification.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the identity $$1 - \cos(10\theta) = 2\sin^2(5\theta)$$, indicating a lack of prior familiarity with it.
  • Another participant reiterates the same gratitude and notes that the identity is a re-formulation of a double-angle identity for cosine.
  • A final participant presents a step-by-step simplification that leads to the desired form $$4\sin\theta\cos4\theta\sin5\theta$$, indicating a successful resolution of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants express understanding and appreciation for the identities discussed, the initial participant's struggle with the problem indicates that there is no consensus on the approach until the final steps are clarified. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and methods without a definitive agreement on a single approach until the last post.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various trigonometric identities and their applications, but some assumptions about the familiarity with these identities may not be shared among all participants. The steps taken by participants may depend on their individual understanding of trigonometric simplifications.

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Hey fellahs, got another whopper that's killing me.

$$1 - \cos2\theta + \cos8\theta - \cos10\theta=?$$

My objective here is to complete the identity, and my worksheet lists the correct solution as:

$$4\sin\theta\cos4\theta\sin5\theta$$

And once again I've had trouble beating this one. This is what I've conjured so far:

$$1 - (1 - 2\sin^2\theta) + (-2\sin((8\theta + 10\theta)/2)\sin((8\theta-10\theta)/2)$$

$$1 -1 + 2\sin^2\theta + 2\sin9\theta\sin\theta$$

$$2\sin^2\theta - 2\sin9\theta * -\sin\theta$$
And from this point I'm stumped =\

Any help would be awesome!
Thanks again, homies.
 
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I would look at:

$$1-\cos(10\theta)=2\sin^2(5\theta)$$

$$\cos(8\theta)-\cos(2\theta)=-2\sin(5\theta)\sin(3\theta)$$

And now your original expression can be factored as:

$$2\sin(5\theta)\left(\sin(5\theta)-\sin(3\theta)\right)$$

Now, we know:

$$\sin(5\theta)-\sin(3\theta)=2\sin(\theta)\cos(4\theta)$$

Now to finish is fairly easy...:D
 
It makes perfect sense! Thank you so much!

I was never familiar with the identity:

$$1 - \cos10\theta = 2\sin^2(5\theta)$$

Thank you again!
 
Dundee3 said:
It makes perfect sense! Thank you so much!

I was never familiar with the identity:

$$1 - \cos10\theta = 2\sin^2(5\theta)$$

Thank you again!

It is just a re-formulation of a double-angle identity for cosine:

$$\cos(2\theta)=1-2\sin^2(\theta)$$
 
Dundee3 said:
$$1 -1 + 2\sin^2\theta + 2\sin9\theta\sin\theta$$
$$2\sin^2\theta+2\sin9\theta\sin\theta$$$$=2\sin\theta(\sin\theta+\sin9\theta)$$$$=2\sin\theta\cdot2\sin5\theta\cos4\theta$$$$=4\sin\theta\cos4\theta\sin5\theta$$
 
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