Seeking help with high toughness steel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around material selection for a high impact speed application involving high toughness steel. Participants explore alternatives to HRC 54 S7 due to issues with brittle failure at impact velocities near 50m/s. The focus is on identifying suitable alloys and understanding the implications of heat treatment on performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Peter seeks alternatives to HRC 54 S7 due to brittle failure in the target material during high impact applications.
  • Stdudiot questions the specifics of the application, including which component is failing and the required hardness of the steel.
  • Peter clarifies that the target is failing and specifies a yield strength requirement of around 1.9GPa.
  • Stdudiot suggests that the identical heat treatment of both components may not yield the same behavior and proposes additional tempering for the target.
  • Stdudiot also mentions the possibility of using tank armor steel, which is noted for being highly ductile and strong.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best alternative material or the effectiveness of different heat treatments, and multiple competing views remain regarding the approach to mitigating brittle failure.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of detailed application context from Peter, which may affect the suitability of suggested materials and treatments. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific mechanical properties and heat treatment processes.

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Hello,
I'm seeking help with material selection for a high impact speed application. We are currently using HRC 54 S7 as both impactor and target. The impact velocity is near 50m/s and we find occasional brittle failure a serious issue. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions as to an alternative. The design life if fairly low so fatigue is not of great concern, there are no corrosive threats and temperature generally room temperature or higher.

Any insight on alternate alloys, similar applications, or consultants who specialize in related topics would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Peter
 
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Difficult to answer this since you haven't fully described the application.
Which is subject to brittle failure the impactor or the target?
And which is important?

How hard does the steel need to be?

Are you tempering the target a tad more than the impactor?

read here

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-102360.html
 
Hi Stdudiot

The target is subject to failure at this point.
The steel needs to yield around 1.9GPa
Right now both target and impactor receive the same heat treatment ... in my mind at least, both are identical, do you think one can behave differently ?
 
in my mind at least, both are identical, do you think one can behave differently ?

The stress distribution is highly shape dependent.

I would still try extra tempering for the target.

Otherwise you might have to go to tank armour steel. This is highly ductile, although strong.
 

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