Separating Variables in First Order Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation of the form (2t+x) dx/dt + t = 0. Participants are exploring methods to separate variables and identify the nature of the equation, particularly whether it is linear or non-linear.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to manipulate the equation to separate variables but express uncertainty about how to proceed with the second term after simplification. Others suggest substitutions, such as z=x/t, to reformulate the equation into a more manageable form.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the linearity of the equation, and discussing various substitution methods. There is recognition of the non-linear nature of the equation, and some guidance has been offered regarding potential substitutions to facilitate separation of variables.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate that their prior instruction has primarily covered linear first-order differential equations, which may limit their approaches to this problem. There is a noted confusion regarding the classification of the equation and the applicability of learned methods.

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Homework Statement


Solve: (2t+x) dx/dt + t = 0

Homework Equations


y' +p(X)y = q(x)
and y(x) = ([tex]\int[/tex]u(x)q(x) + c)/u(x)
where u(x) = e[tex]\int[/tex]p(x)dx
Note this u(x) is 2 to the power of the integral of p(x)

The Attempt at a Solution


(2t+x) dx/dt + t = 0 becomes:
dx/dt + t/(2t+x) = 0 by dividing through by (2t+x)

However, now I don't know how to separate t and x in the second term.
 
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It looks like it is first-order homogeneous. Make the substitution z=x/t by dividing by t throughout your t/(2t+x), and then x=tz and x'=z+tz' by the product rule. Now it's in a form you want it for the relevant equations you listed. Just make the substitution the other way when you've solved for z.
 
vikkisut88 said:

Homework Statement


Solve: (2t+x) dx/dt + t = 0


Homework Equations


y' +p(X)y = q(x)
and y(x) = ([tex]\int[/tex]u(x)q(x) + c)/u(x)
where u(x) = e[tex]\int[/tex]p(x)dx
Note this u(x) is 2 to the power of the integral of p(x)
These apply only to a linear first order d.e. And this d.e. is NOT linear because of the x multiplying dx/dt.

The Attempt at a Solution


(2t+x) dx/dt + t = 0 becomes:
dx/dt + t/(2t+x) = 0 by dividing through by (2t+x)

However, now I don't know how to separate t and x in the second term.
 
Okay so does that mean that what jeffreydk would not work? If so what can i use instead? I have only been taught about linear first order d.e so really don't know what to do!
 
Yea it is non-linear I didn't notice that. What I said won't work.
 
No, being "homogeneous" has nothing to do with being linear. I would consider it very strange that you have "only been taught about linear first order d.e.". Usually separable d.e. comes before that.

In any case, as jeffreydk said (and I won't allow him to take it back!) making the substitution z= x/t so that tz= x and z+ t dz/dt= dx/dt. Dividing the equation by t gives (2+ x/t)dx/dt+ 1= 0.

(2+ z)(z+ t dz/dt)+ 1= 0 or t(2+z) dz/dt= 1-(2+ z2)= z2- 1 which is a separable equation.
 

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