Separating Variables in Integration

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation involving separation of variables and integration techniques. Participants explore the implications of initial conditions on the solution and the complexity of the resulting integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation and seeks assistance with separating variables and integrating it.
  • Another participant points out that with the initial condition p(0) = 0, the only solution would be p = 0 for all times, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the problem.
  • A later post corrects the initial condition to p(0) = q/3, which changes the nature of the solution.
  • Following this correction, a participant outlines a method to integrate the equation using partial fractions, indicating that the resulting integrals lead to logarithmic expressions.
  • The suggestion includes grouping the logarithmic results and exponentiating to find a function of p, while also noting the need to apply the initial condition to determine constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion shows a progression from an initial misunderstanding regarding the initial condition to a clearer approach to solving the equation. However, there is no consensus on the complexity of the integral or the best method to approach it, as participants present different perspectives on the solution process.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the initial conditions on the solution, and there is uncertainty regarding the simplification of the integrals involved.

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Wondering whether somebody could help me with a quick integral??
dp/dt = ap(1-(p^2/q^2))

initial condition p(0) = 0

I have tried separating the variables, and then taking the partial fractions where needed, however my answer does not simplify nicely and it gets into some really complicated logarithms, I was wondering if I was doing something wrong?? Or if somebody could show me a different way of solving this equation. Thank you :)
 
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If p(0) = 0 for the differential equation you have given, dp/dt also equals zero at t=0. if both p and p' are 0 at t=0, then the only solution is that p=0 for all times.
 
Sorry I just re-checked the question and the initial condition is p(0) = q/3, I'm really sorry about that :)
 
Well in that case it is pretty straightforward. Write:
\frac{dp}{p(1-p^2/q^2)} = a dt Now integrate both sides:
\int\frac{dp}{p(1-p^2/q^2)} = at +C

The integral on the left side can be done by partial fractions and will give logs, as you said. Group the logs into a single log and then exponentiate both sides, and you will get a function of p on the left side = C exp(at). Use the initial condition to determine C, solve for p, and you're done.
 

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