Seperable Differential Equation Invovling Partial Fractions

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation involving the expression y' = (3+y)(1-y) with the initial condition y(0) = 2. Participants explore methods of integration and the use of partial fractions in the context of differential equations.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the equation and the application of partial fractions. There are attempts to rearrange logarithmic expressions and clarify properties of exponentials. Some participants question the correctness of earlier steps and suggest corrections to signs and absolute values.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the manipulation of logarithmic and exponential forms. Some participants have provided corrections and guidance on how to handle the absolute values in the solution. The discussion is productive, with multiple interpretations being explored, particularly concerning the initial condition and its implications for the constant c.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the initial condition y(0) = 2 and are addressing potential errors in their calculations. There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of mathematical properties throughout the discussion.

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[itex]y' = (3+y)(1-y)[/itex]
[itex]y(0) = 2[/itex]

Attempt to solve:
[itex]\frac{dy}{dx}=(3+y)(1-y)[/itex]

[itex](3+y)(1-y)dy = dx[/itex]

[itex]\int(3+y)(1-y)dy = \int dx[/itex]

Partial Fractions:
[itex]\frac{A}{(3+y)} + \frac{B}{(1-y)}[/itex]

[itex]A(1-y)+B(3+y)[/itex]

Let y= 1 or -3

A = 1/4
B = 1/4

[itex]\frac{1}{4}\int \frac{1}{(3+y)} dy + \frac{1}{4}\int \frac{1}{(1-y)} dy[/itex]

[itex]1/4(ln(3+y)+ln(1-y)) + C = x[/itex]

Re-arranging.
[itex]ln(3+y)+ln(1-y) = 4x+C[/itex]

[itex](3+y)+(1-y) = e^{(4x+C)}[/itex]

Did I do it right so far? How do figure out y if that is the case?
 
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MathWarrior said:
Re-arranging.
[itex]ln(3+y)+ln(1-y) = 4x+C[/itex]

[itex](3+y)+(1-y) = e^{(4x+C)}[/itex]

Did I do it right so far? How do figure out y if that is the case?

You have an error here. e^(ln(3+y) + ln(1 - y)) is not equal to (3 + y) + (1 - y). Remember your properties of exponentials. From there, if you really want y as an explicit function of x, you'll need to solve the resulting quadratic.
 
MathWarrior said:
[itex]\frac{1}{4}\int \frac{1}{(3+y)} dy + \frac{1}{4}\int \frac{1}{(1-y)} dy[/itex]

[itex]1/4(ln(3+y)+ln(1-y)) + C = x[/itex]
You have a sign error: the integral of 1/(1-y) is -ln|1-u|
Moreover: the argument of ln has to be written as |1-y| and |3+y|.

ehild
 
Okay I think I fixed the mistakes mentioned.. I think but I am still unsure how to do solve for y. I tried looking up properties of exponents but not sure if I did it all right.


My new equation result is:
[itex]\frac{1}{4}(ln(3+y)-ln(1-y)+c) = x[/itex]

[itex](ln(3+y)-ln(1-y)) = 4x+c[/itex]

I know I have to use the exp operator but not sure how you do:

[itex]e^{ln(3+y)-ln(1-y)}[/itex]

I know I need to use:
[itex]\frac{a^{b}}{a^{c}} = a^{b-c}[/itex]

so is the answer:
[itex]\frac {e^{ln(3+y)}} {e^{ln(1-y)}} = e^{(4x+c)}[/itex] ??

[itex]\frac {(3+y)} {(1-y)} = e^{(4x+c)}[/itex]
How do I get y from this mess?
 
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The absolute value signs can not be omitted. The solution of the de is [itex]|\frac{3+y}{1−y}|=e^{4x+c}[/itex]

Use the initial condition y=2 at t=0 to find c for the case y>1.

ehild
 
ehild said:
The absolute value signs can not be omitted. The solution of the de is [itex]|\frac{3+y}{1−y}|=e^{4x+c}[/itex]

Use the initial condition y=2 at t=0 to find c for the case y>1.

So I substitute in y=2 and x=0?

[itex]|\frac{3+2}{1-3}| = e^{4x+c}[/itex]

[itex]5 = e^{4x+c}[/itex]

[itex]ln(5) = 4x+c[/itex]

since x = 0
[itex]c = ln(5)[/itex] ?
 
MathWarrior said:
So I substitute in y=2 and x=0?

[itex]|\frac{3+2}{1-3}| = e^{4x+c}[/itex]
No,
[tex]\left|\frac{3+2}{1- 2}\right|[/tex]

[itex]5 = e^{4x+c}[/itex]

[itex]ln(5) = 4x+c[/itex]

since x = 0
[itex]c = ln(5)[/itex] ?
 
Yes, c=ln5. But e4x+ln5=5e4x, so you can write the solution for the given initial condition as [itex]\frac{y+3}{y-1}=5e^{4x}[/itex] if y>1, as |1-y|=y-1.
If you want an explicit expression for y, then multiply the equation by y-1 and isolate y.

ehild
 

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