Sequence, continuity, connectedness

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The discussion revolves around concepts of limits, continuity, and compactness in mathematical analysis. The original poster presents a sequence defined recursively and seeks to prove its limit exists while exploring properties of functions related to continuity and compactness.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to establish the existence of a limit for a sequence and questions its monotonicity. Some participants suggest examining the sequence's behavior for specific terms and propose using mathematical induction to show monotonicity and boundedness.
  • Participants discuss the implications of continuity and compactness, questioning whether a function that pulls back compact sets is necessarily continuous, with suggestions to consider counterexamples.
  • There is inquiry into the definitions of open and closed sets, as well as continuity, with participants seeking clarification on the definitions used.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the original poster's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of definitions and theorems, while multiple interpretations of the continuity and compactness properties are being explored.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of familiarity with the Heine-Borel theorem, which may limit their approach to the continuity question. There is also an indication of uncertainty regarding the behavior of the sequence in question.

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1) Prove that
lim x_k exsts and find its value if {x_k} is defined by
k->inf
x_1 = 1 and x_(k+1) = (1/2) x_k + 1 / (sqrt k)
[My attempt: Assume the limit exists and equal to L
then L= (1/2) L + 0
=> (1/2) L = 0
=> L=0
Now I have to prove that the limit indeed exists, I want to use the monotone sequence theorem (monotone & bounded => convergence), but as I evaluate a few terms, I found that x1<x2, but x2>x3, which makes it not montone...what should I do?]

Definition: Let S be a subset of R^n. S is called open if it contains none of its boundary points. A point x E R^n is a boundary point of S if every ball centred at x contains both points in S and points in S^c (S complement)

Definition: A subset of R^n is called compact if it's both closed and bounded.

Definition: f is continuous at a iff
lim f(x) = f(a)
x->a

2) Suppose f: R^m->R^n is a map such that for any compact set K C R^n, the preimage set f^(<-)(K) = {x E R^m | f(x) E K} is compact. Is f necessary continuous? Justify.


3) Suppose f: R^n -> R^k has the following property: For any open set U C R^k, {x| f(x) E U} is an open set in R^n. Show that f is continuous on R^n.


For #2 and #3, I have absolutely no clue...feeling desperte...


Any help will be greatly appreciated!:smile:
 
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You must show that x is a monotone decreasing sequence. Since x_(k+1) = (1/2) x_k + 1 / (sqrt k), x_(k+1) would be < x_k for sufficiently small values of 1 / (sqrt k). You need to solve for that k. (You can discard the first few terms of the sequence if they are not monotone decreasing.)

What is your definition of an open set? A compact set?
 
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Q1. Perhaps x_2 > x_3 > x_4 > ...?

Q2. Do you think this is true or false? A continuous function necessarily pulls back closed sets to closed sets. By the Heine-Borel theorem, the compact subsets of R^n (and R^m) are precisely those that are closed and bounded. So f pulls back at least these subsets to closed subsets. But there are more closed sets out there (specifically the ubounded ones). Maybe you can use this to construct a counterexample?

Q3. What definition of continuity are you working with?
 
So f pulls back at least these subsets to closed subsets. But there are more closed sets out there (specifically the ubounded ones).
There is a direct, specific relationship between compact-to-compact and continuity.
 
morphism said:
Q1. Perhaps x_2 > x_3 > x_4 > ...?

Q2. Do you think this is true or false? A continuous function necessarily pulls back closed sets to closed sets. By the Heine-Borel theorem, the compact subsets of R^n (and R^m) are precisely those that are closed and bounded. So f pulls back at least these subsets to closed subsets. But there are more closed sets out there (specifically the ubounded ones). Maybe you can use this to construct a counterexample?

Q3. What definition of continuity are you working with?

1) Yes, I've found out that the pattern is x2 > x3 > x4 > x5 > ...

Now is it possible to show by math induction that x_k > x_(k+1) > 0 (hence bounded and montone) ?

2) My course didn't cover the Heine-Borel theorem, so I can't use it. How should I do without this theorem?

3) I have added the definitions used in my textbook...
 
#3 is shown more easily by the epsilon-delta definition of continuity. Have you studied that definition?

#2 is shown more easily using the convergent subsequence definition of compactness; have you studied that definition? Let [itex]\{x_n\}[/itex] be a sequence in the preimage that converges to [itex]x_0[/itex] in the preimage. Do you understand why you can find such a sequence in the preimage?
 

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