Sequences that satisfay the same recurrence relation

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The discussion revolves around a sequence defined by the formula an = 3n + 1, with the goal of demonstrating that it satisfies the recurrence relation ak = ak-1 + 3 for integers k ≥ 1. Participants are exploring the relationship between the explicit formula and the recurrence relation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to relate the explicit formula to the recurrence relation by calculating an-1 and exploring the difference an - an-1. Questions arise about the implications of these calculations and the correctness of the arithmetic involved.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the terms of the sequence and the recurrence relation. Some participants have provided guidance on how to manipulate the expressions, while others are clarifying their understanding of the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the arithmetic are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the arithmetic steps and the implications of their findings. There is a recognition of the need to ensure clarity in the calculations related to the sequence and its recurrence relation.

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Homework Statement



Let a0, a1, a2..., be defined by the formula an = 3n + 1, for all integers n >= 0. Show that this sequence satisfies the recurrence relation ak = ak-1 + 3, for all integers k >=1.



Homework Equations



for all integers n >= 0, an = 3n + 1

for all integers k >= 1, ak = ak-1 + 3



The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to proceed. In the one example given us in the book, we are given the initial conditions for each sequence (a1 = 2 and b1 = 1) and the formulas are exactly the same except that one is ak = 3ak-1 and the other is bk = 3bk-1. I am unable to relate the example in thge book to the question.

I have looked on youtube but can only find videos on how to compute terms of a recursively defined sequence, which I know how to do.
 
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Hi Jim01! :smile:

If an = 3n + 1,

what is an-1 ?

And so what is an - an-1 ? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Jim01! :smile:

If an = 3n + 1,

what is an-1 ?

And so what is an - an-1 ? :wink:

If I am understanding you correctly, then

If an = 3n + 1,

then

an-1 = 3(n - 1) + 1
= 3n - 3 + 1
= 3n - 2

therefore

an - an-1 = 3n + 1 - 3n - 2
= -1

I'm sorry for being so thick-headed but I don't know what this is telling me.
 
Jim01 said:
If I am understanding you correctly, then

If an = 3n + 1,

then

an-1 = 3(n - 1) + 1
= 3n - 3 + 1
= 3n - 2

therefore

an - an-1 = 3n + 1 - 3n - 2
= -1

I'm sorry for being so thick-headed but I don't know what this is telling me.

OK. I think I may get it. The first thing you did was to make all the subscripts the same, so that a0, a1, a3, ... is defined by ak = 3k + 1 and ak-1 = 3(k - 1) + 1. I didn't know you could do that, although since the letters are arbitrary, it makes sense.

You then input the answer to ak-1 into the the formula ak = ak-1 + 3.

so ak-1 + 3
= 3(k - 1) + 1 + 3
= 3k - 3 + 1 + 3
= 3k + 1
= ak

Ok. I got it. Thank you very much.
 
Jim01 said:
If I am understanding you correctly, then

If an = 3n + 1,

then

an-1 = 3(n - 1) + 1
= 3n - 3 + 1
= 3n - 2

therefore

an - an-1 = 3n + 1 - 3n - 2
= -1
Your subtraction is wrong. You want 3n+1- (3n-2)= 3n+1- 3n+ 2= 3, not -1.

I'm sorry for being so thick-headed but I don't know what this is telling me.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Your subtraction is wrong. You want 3n+1- (3n-2)= 3n+1- 3n+ 2= 3, not -1.

You are absolutely correct. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
 

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