Sequential Stern Gerlech experiment

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The discussion revolves around the Sequential Stern-Gerlach experiment, specifically focusing on the behavior of angular momentum states when subjected to magnetic fields. Participants are exploring the implications of measuring different components of angular momentum, particularly the relationship between the eigenstates of the \(L_x\) and \(L_z\) operators.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the expected outcomes when beams corresponding to different magnetic quantum numbers pass through the second Stern-Gerlach magnet. There is uncertainty about the implications of measuring \(m_x=0\) and how it relates to the eigenstates of the \(L_x\) operator. Some participants suggest that understanding the eigenstates is crucial for determining measurement outcomes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively seeking clarification on the relationship between the eigenstates of angular momentum operators and the outcomes of measurements. Hints have been provided regarding the need to analyze eigenstates, but there is no clear consensus on the reasoning behind this requirement.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the behavior of spin-1 particles in magnetic fields. There is an emphasis on the mathematical relationships between different angular momentum states, and some participants express uncertainty about their initial assumptions and the implications of their guesses.

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A beam of atoms with ##l=1## (##s= 0##) is traveling along the y-axis and passes through a Stern-Gerlach magnet A with its (mean) magnetic field along the x-axis. The emerging beam with ##m_x= 1## is separated from the other two beams. (The eigenvalue of ##L_x## for the atoms in this beam is ##\hbar m_x = \hbar##). The beam is then passed through a second Stern-Gerlach magnet with the magnetic field along the z-axis. Into how many beams is the beam further split and what the relative number of atoms in each beam? What would be the result if the ##m_x= 0## beam instead passed through a second magnet with the magnetic field along the z_axis?
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So I thought that when the $m_l = 1$ beam passes through the second SG-magnet, it should split into 3 different beams with equal probability corresponding to $ m_l = -1 , 0 , 1 $ since the field here is aligned along z-axis and hence independent of the x-axis splitting.
And I thought that the same should happen if the $m_x=0$ beam passes through the second magnet? but I'm not as sure here!
and then there is a hint that says I should determine the eigenstates of the $L_x$ operator first! But I don't get why? Any advice?
 
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Rayan said:
And I thought that the same should happen if the $m_x=0$ beam passes through the second magnet? but I'm not as sure here!
and then there is a hint that says I should determine the eigenstates of the $L_x$ operator first! But I don't get why? Any advice?
That's effectively a guess. It's a good hint to check your guess by looking precisely at how the eigenstates for a spin-1 particle about the x-y-z axes relate to each other.
 
Rayan said:
and then there is a hint that says I should determine the eigenstates of the $L_x$ operator first! But I don't get why? Any advice?
So you're not just guessing what the answers are. It's okay use your intuition to make an educated guess what the answer should be, but you still need to do the actual math to make a convincing argument.
 
Rayan said:
and then there is a hint that says I should determine the eigenstates of the $L_x$ operator first! But I don't get why? Any advice?
Let ##| L_z, m_z \rangle## denote an eigenstate of the ##L_z## operator which has eigenvalue ##m_z \hbar##. What are the possible values of ##m_z##?

Let ##| L_x, m_x \rangle## denote an eigenstate of the ##L_x## operator which has eigenvalue ##m_x \hbar##. What are the possible values of ##m_x##?

Suppose the angular momentum state of the particle is known to be ##| L_x, m_x \rangle##. If a measurement of the z-component of angular momentum is made on this particle, what are the possible outcomes of the measurement?

Using the notation ##| L_x, m_x \rangle## and ##\langle L_z, m_z |##, how would you construct an expression for the probability amplitude that the measurement will yield the outcome ##m_z \hbar##?

How do you obtain the probability that the outcome will be ##m_z \hbar##?
 

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