Series Convergence and Divergence I

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The discussion revolves around the convergence and divergence of series, specifically focusing on a problem set that includes evaluating series using various techniques such as partial fraction decomposition and the geometric series formula. Participants explore their approaches to specific problems and seek clarification on their calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have split a series into two parts and calculated a sum of 9, asserting convergence, but others question the validity of this approach.
  • Another participant suggests using partial fraction decomposition to represent terms in a series as a telescoping series, which may aid in evaluating convergence.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculation of limits and the interpretation of results, particularly regarding the convergence of a specific series and the implications of negative values in calculations.
  • Disagreement arises over the interpretation of terms in a telescoping series, with one participant asserting that their limit calculation resulted in a negative value, while others challenge this outcome based on the positivity of the series terms.
  • Participants discuss the correct application of the geometric series formula and the conditions under which series converge, with some providing detailed mathematical expressions to support their claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the convergence of the series and the validity of certain calculations. While some agree on the use of specific techniques like partial fraction decomposition, there is no consensus on the correctness of all interpretations and results presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific series and their behavior as n approaches infinity, but there are unresolved questions about the assumptions made in calculations and the definitions used in their evaluations.

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This discussion may be useful for students working on series convergence problems, particularly those involving telescoping series and geometric series, as well as for anyone interested in the nuances of mathematical reasoning in series evaluation.

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Hey guys,

I have a few quick questions for the problem set I'm working on at the moment:
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I'm mostly unsure of my response for b. For a, I just split the series into two parts and added 6+3 to get 9, and thus the series is convergent. For c, I got 3/5 after taking the limit, which is divergent because it does not equal 0.

However, for b, I'm having a hard time calculating r so that I can use the a/(1-r) formula to compute the sum. I'd really appreciate some help guys.

Thanks in advance.
 
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For b, using partial fraction decomposition or otherwise, represent each term as a difference of two expressions. Note that the second expression (with a minus) of each term is the same as the first expression (with a plus) of the next term. Therefore, this is a telescoping series.
 
ardentmed said:
Hey guys,

I have a few quick questions for the problem set I'm working on at the moment:
2014_07_15_320_5185576918465871c371_2.jpg


I'm mostly unsure of my response for b. For a, I just split the series into two parts and added 6+3 to get 9, and thus the series is convergent. For c, I got 3/5 after taking the limit, which is divergent because it does not equal 0.

However, for b, I'm having a hard time calculating r so that I can use the a/(1-r) formula to compute the sum. I'd really appreciate some help guys.

Thanks in advance.

The convergence of the second is easy, because for large values of n, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum{ \frac{1}{4n^2 - 1} } \end{align*}$ behaves like $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum{ \frac{1}{4n^2} } = \frac{1}{4} \sum{ \frac{1}{n^2} } \end{align*}$, which is a convergent p series.

But as Evgeny said, to evaluate the value of the sum you must use a partial fraction decomposition to turn it into a telescopic series.
 
ardentmed said:
Hey guys,

I have a few quick questions for the problem set I'm working on at the moment:
2014_07_15_320_5185576918465871c371_2.jpg


I'm mostly unsure of my response for b. For a, I just split the series into two parts and added 6+3 to get 9, and thus the series is convergent. For c, I got 3/5 after taking the limit, which is divergent because it does not equal 0.

However, for b, I'm having a hard time calculating r so that I can use the a/(1-r) formula to compute the sum. I'd really appreciate some help guys.

Thanks in advance.

For a) I have no idea what you are talking about. Adding what 6 and what 3 to get what 9? What does that have to do with convergence?

Write it as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum{ \left( \frac{3}{2^{n-1}} + \frac{2}{3^{n-1}} \right) } = \sum{ \frac{3}{2^{n - 1}} } + \sum{ \frac{2}{3^{n-1}}} = 3\sum{ \left[ \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) ^{n - 1} \right] } + 2\sum{ \left[ \left( \frac{1}{3} \right) ^{n - 1} \right] } \end{align*}$

each of those is a geometric series with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} r_1 = \frac{1}{2} \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} r_2 = \frac{1}{3} \end{align*}$. Since these common ratios are all smaller than 1 in size, each of those geometric series is convergent and so the whole sum is convergent.

Also you can evaluate each geometric series using the formula $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{a}{1 - r} \end{align*}$.Your answer to (c) is correct.
 
Prove It said:
For a) I have no idea what you are talking about. Adding what 6 and what 3 to get what 9? What does that have to do with convergence?

Write it as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum{ \left( \frac{3}{2^{n-1}} + \frac{2}{3^{n-1}} \right) } = \sum{ \frac{3}{2^{n - 1}} } + \sum{ \frac{2}{3^{n-1}}} = 3\sum{ \left[ \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) ^{n - 1} \right] } + 2\sum{ \left[ \left( \frac{1}{3} \right) ^{n - 1} \right] } \end{align*}$

each of those is a geometric series with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} r_1 = \frac{1}{2} \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} r_2 = \frac{1}{3} \end{align*}$. Since these common ratios are all smaller than 1 in size, each of those geometric series is convergent and so the whole sum is convergent.

Also you can evaluate each geometric series using the formula $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{a}{1 - r} \end{align*}$.Your answer to (c) is correct.
Oh, I thought that if I separated the series into two parts, the sum of each should be 3 and 6 respectively, thus making the sum of the series 9 (the summation of the two). Is that incorrect?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Also, for b, the telescoping series, I took the limit as it approaches infinity after crossing out all of the extraneous values. I ended up getting (-.5) +(-.5 /2n) +(-.5/(2n+1) = -1/2. Does that sound about right?

Thanks again.
 
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ardentmed said:
Oh, I thought that if I separated the series into two parts, the sum of each should be 3 and 6 respectively, thus making the sum of the series 9 (the summation of the two). Is that incorrect?

Now I understand what you meant. Yes that is correct.
 
Prove It said:
Now I understand what you meant. Yes that is correct.

Thank you. Also, for b, the telescoping series, I took the limit as it approaches infinity after crossing out all of the extraneous values. I ended up getting (-.5) +(-.5 /2n) +(-.5/(2n+1) = -1/2. Does that sound about right?

Thanks again.
 
ardentmed said:
Also, for b, the telescoping series, I took the limit as it approaches infinity after crossing out all of the extraneous values. I ended up getting (-.5) +(-.5 /2n) +(-.5/(2n+1) = -1/2. Does that sound about right?
All terms in the series are positive. How did you get $-1/2$? Also, how did you get the denominator $2n$?
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
All terms in the series are positive. How did you get $-1/2$? Also, how did you get the denominator $2n$?

Because when using partial fractions, I obtained A= 0.5 and B= -0.5, so the series is 0.5/(2n+1) - (.5)/(2n-1), so when the terms were crossing out, the first term was crossed out when simplifying, whereas the second term stayed put. Taking the limit thereof gave a negative value.
 
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ardentmed said:
Because when using partial fractions, I obtained A= 0.5 and B= -0.5, so the series is 0.5/(2n+1) - (.5)/(2n-1)
$\frac{1}{2n+1}$ is smaller than $\frac{1}{2n-1}$, so the difference you wrote is negative. In reality,
\[
\frac{1}{4n^2-1}=\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{1}{2n-1}-\frac{1}{2n+1}\right).
\]
 
  • #11
Evgeny.Makarov said:
$\frac{1}{2n+1}$ is smaller than $\frac{1}{2n-1}$, so the difference you wrote is negative. In reality,
\[
\frac{1}{4n^2-1}=\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{1}{2n-1}-\frac{1}{2n+1}\right).
\]

Alright, so the sum is 1/2 after taking that into consideration, correct?
 
  • #12
ardentmed said:
Alright, so the sum is 1/2 after taking that into consideration, correct?

Yes, well done :)
 

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