Series Expansion: Proving √(y)√(1+y) - ln[√(y)+√(1+y)]=2y^(3/2)/3

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The original poster attempts to prove the equation √(y)√(1+y) - ln[√(y)+√(1+y)] = 2y^(3/2)/3 using series expansion for small values of y. The discussion revolves around the application of series expansions for the square root and logarithmic functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss substituting known series expansions into the equation and question the next steps in the proof. There is mention of using the logarithmic expansion and how to handle higher-order terms. Some participants express eagerness to utilize specific results provided in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring various methods to approach the problem, including different series expansions. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined, with some guidance offered on how to expand the logarithmic function.

Contextual Notes

There is a reference to specific results being provided, which may impose constraints on the methods discussed. Additionally, a question about the validity of adding fractional numbers raised to powers indicates a potential area of confusion that remains unaddressed.

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Homework Statement



I want to show/prove that

√(y)√(1+y) - ln[√(y)+√(1+y)] = 2y^(3/2)/3 when y<<1 by series expansion.

Homework Equations



√(1+y) = 1+y/2 - (y^2)/8 + ...
and
ln[√(y)+√(1+y)] = ln[1 + √(y) + y/2 -(y^2)/8 + ...]

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm thinking I sub in the expansions above into the initial equation. My question then, is what do I do next?
 
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Use [tex]\log_e (1+x) \approx x - \frac{x^2}{2} + \frac{x^3}{3}[/tex] and let [tex]x = \sqrt{y} + \sqrt{1+y} -1[/tex]. The first two terms of that expansion should clean up very nicely with the [itex]\sqrt{y}\sqrt{1+y}[/itex] from the original question, only slightly hard part is expanding that cubic term. Good luck
 
Cool, I understand this method, just wondering how I would go about it if I were to use the relevant equations though.
 
Well the problem changes to showing [tex]\log_e \left( 1 + \sqrt{y} + \frac{y}{2} - \frac{y^2}{8} ... \right) \approx \sqrt{y} - \frac{y^{3/2}}{6} - \frac{y^{5/2}}{8} ...[/tex].

Using the log (1+x) expansion to only a linear term doesn't work, so I might try using two terms, but that might take a while, Sorry I can't see anything better at the moment.
 
that's ok, its just that those specific results are provided, so I'm eager to utilize them!
 
After referring to a textbook, it seems a more appropriate way would be to let Q = √(y) + y/2 - y^2/8 with ln(1+Q) = Q - (Q^2)/2 + (Q^3)/3 - ... [similar to what was initially mentioned].

I expand (without worrying about terms higher than 3/2) and am left with

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8342/69018112db1.jpg
does this appear correct?
pardon my forgetfulness, but can fractional numbers raised to powers be added?
 
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help please!
 

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