Set of all Subsets of Natural Numbers

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The problem involves proving that the set of all subsets of the natural numbers is uncountable, referencing concepts such as Cantor's diagonal argument.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of a bijective function to represent subsets of natural numbers as sequences of 0's and 1's. Questions arise regarding the implications of Cantor's diagonal argument for finite subsets of natural numbers.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in the original poster's approach while also prompting further exploration of related concepts, particularly regarding finite subsets and the diagonal argument.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of countability and uncountability in the context of different types of subsets of natural numbers, including finite subsets.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the set of all subsets of the natural numbers is uncountable.


Homework Equations


All of the countability stuff - including Cantor's diagonal argument


The Attempt at a Solution


I think I have this one figured out, but I was wondering if somebody would be willing to check it for me.

Suppose we have a subset of the natural numbers, A. Then I've defined a bijective function f:A\rightarrow \{s_k\}, where s_k=1 if k\in A and 0 if k\notin A (that is, convert A to a sequence of 0's and 1's, based on whether or not the kth natural number is in the subset A). Using Cantor's diagonal process (Theorem 2.14 in baby Rudin if anybody's interested), we can say that since the set of all sequences whose elements are 0's and 1's are uncountable, A is also uncountable.

Thanks in advance!
 
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That works. You knew that didn't you? If you want to test your understanding a little further, tell me why if we take all finite subsets of the naturals, that the Cantor diagonal argument doesn't show that that set is uncountable?
 
The map f: [0,1) -> P(N) given by
f(0.a1 a2 a3 a4 ...) = {a1, 10+a2, 20+a3, 30+a4, ...}
is one-to-one, so P(N) cannot be countable since [0,1) isn't countable.
 
Hi Dick and mathboy,

Thanks for your help!

To (maybe) answer Dick's question, is it that, while using the diagonal argument, you may get an infinite sequence of 0's and 1's that isn't in the set of finite subsets?
 
PingPong said:
Hi Dick and mathboy,

Thanks for your help!

To (maybe) answer Dick's question, is it that, while using the diagonal argument, you may get an infinite sequence of 0's and 1's that isn't in the set of finite subsets?

Exactly.
 

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