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The discussion revolves around proofs in mathematical analysis, specifically concerning set identities and properties of functions. Participants are exploring the relationships between sets and functions, particularly focusing on proving identities involving families of sets and the implications of set operations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to prove identities involving set operations and functions, questioning the validity of certain inclusions and equalities. They discuss the process of proving set equality by demonstrating mutual subset relationships.

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Some participants have provided guidance on proving set equality and have engaged in clarifying the notation and reasoning involved in the proofs. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of set operations, with participants questioning their own understanding and notation.

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Participants express uncertainty about their mathematical notation and the completeness of their proofs. There is a focus on ensuring that assumptions and definitions are correctly applied in the context of the problems being discussed.

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Hello there,

I am extremely new to mathematical analysis and do not have an idea how to prove the following questions. Could you please give me a hand and show me a way?

Let At , t ∈ T, be a family of sets, and let X be a set. Prove the identities


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Let A and B are sets, and let f : A → B be a function defined in A with values in B.

Is it true that f (A \ B) ⊂ f (A) \ f (B)?
Is it true that f (A \ B) ⊃ f (A) \ f (B)
 
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fuzuli said:
Hello there,

I am extremely new to mathematical analysis and do not have an idea how to prove the following questions. Could you please give me a hand and show me a way?

Let At , t ∈ T, be a family of sets, and let X be a set. Prove the identities


http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=98278507.png&res=landing


Let A and B are sets, and let f : A → B be a function defined in A with values in B.

Is it true that f (A \ B) ⊂ f (A) \ f (B)?
Is it true that f (A \ B) ⊃ f (A) \ f (B)

Do you know how to prove that two sets are equal? If A and B are sets and I want to prove that A = B, I have to show two things: That A ⊂ B and B ⊂ A.

And to show each of those two things, you have to show that

a) If x is an element of A, then x is an element of B.

and

b) If x is an element of B, then x is an element of A.

Does any of this sound familiar? Can you apply it to your problems?
 
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SteveL27 said:
Do you know how to prove that two sets are equal? If A and B are sets and I want to prove that A = B, I have to show two things: That A ⊂ B and B ⊂ A.

And to show each of those two things, you have to show that

a) If x is an element of A, then x is an element of B.

and

b) If x is an element of B, then x is an element of A.

Does any of this sound familiar? Can you apply it to your problems?

Thank you so much for your instant reply. I think I understood your point. For example for the first one:

left to right:
if m∈ X∖⋃At => m ∈ X and m∉⋃At. so m∉At for all t∈At.
if m∈X and m∉At for all t∈At, then X\At={m} for al t∈T
then, m∈⋂(X∖At)


if m∈⋂(X∖At) => m ∈ X\At for all t∈T. then, m∈X, m∉At for all t∈At.
if m∉At for all t∈At => m∉⋃At.
if m∈X and m∉⋃At => m∈X∖⋃At

Is my notation true?
 
fuzuli said:
Thank you so much for your instant reply. I think I understood your point. For example for the first one:

left to right:
if m∈ X∖⋃At => m ∈ X and m∉⋃At. so m∉At for all t∈At.
Excellent!
if m∈X and m∉At for all t∈At, then X\At={m} for al t∈T
No, you can't say "X\At= {m}", you don't know if there aren't other elements in X\At. You can, of course, say "m∈ X\At for all t" and that's all you need.

then, m∈⋂(X∖At)


if m∈⋂(X∖At) => m ∈ X\At for all t∈T. then, m∈X, m∉At for all t∈At.
if m∉At for all t∈At => m∉⋃At.
if m∈X and m∉⋃At => m∈X∖⋃At
Yes, this is exactly right.

Is my notation true?
 
SteveL27 said:
Do you know how to prove that two sets are equal? If A and B are sets and I want to prove that A = B, I have to show two things: That A ⊂ B and B ⊂ A.

And to show each of those two things, you have to show that

a) If x is an element of A, then x is an element of B.

and

b) If x is an element of B, then x is an element of A.

Does any of this sound familiar? Can you apply it to your problems?

and for the second one:

left to right:

if m ∈ X\⋂At => m∈X and m∉⋂At => m∈X and m∉At for all t∈T => m∈X\At for for all t∈T. Therefore m∈⋃(X\At)

right to left:

if m∈⋃(X\At) => m∈X and (∃t∈T that m∈At or ∄t∈T that m∈At)
if not for all t∈T, m∈At, then m∉⋂At. therefore m∈X\⋂At


I feel like my notations are not very good. How can I do these solutions better?
 

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