Several equal but different ones (1)?

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The discussion revolves around the equation (√x) + 1 = 0, exploring its solutions in the context of real and complex numbers. Participants examine the implications of complex representations and the validity of various mathematical transformations related to the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the equation (√x) + 1 = 0 has no solutions in the real numbers and explores complex solutions, suggesting that e^(2iπ) works while others do not.
  • Another participant asserts that there are many solutions of the form e^(4n+2)πi for all integers n.
  • It is pointed out that √1 = ±1, which raises questions about the interpretation of square roots in different contexts.
  • A participant emphasizes that the equation x^2 + 1 = 0 has two solutions in the algebraic closure of the reals, highlighting the need for caution when applying real number rules to complex numbers.
  • Another participant challenges the claim that √1 = ±1, clarifying that the real square root function yields only +1.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the equivalence of the transformations used, specifically that e^A = e^B does not imply A = B, which affects the validity of the proposed solutions.
  • Participants reiterate that the original equation (√x) + 1 = 0 and the derived equation x = 1 are not equivalent, as squaring both sides introduces extraneous solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of solutions to the equation, particularly regarding the interpretation of square roots and the validity of complex solutions. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or solution methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in applying real number properties to complex numbers, and the discussion reveals unresolved issues regarding the equivalence of mathematical transformations and the definitions of square roots.

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I ran into a little problem trying to solve the (√x )+ 1 = 0 equation.
Summary: I ran into a little problem trying to solve the (√x )+ 1 = 0 equation.

Obviously there will be no solution in R, so I tried the following

(√x )+ 1 = 0

ei α/2 = ei π

i α / 2 = i pi

so: α = 2 pi

so the solution will be e2 i π

This solution actually works when replaced in the equation.

The question is:

e2 i π works, but 1 which is the same does not work, just as e4 i πdoes not work either.

It seems that of the infinite possibilities of complex representation of 1 only one of them is solution!

Anyone could explain this?

Tanks
 
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There are many solutions: ##e^{(4n+2)\pi i}##, for all integer ##n##.
 
√1 = ±1
 
DaveE said:
√1 = ±1
This isn't true. ##\sqrt 1 = +1## only, if we're talking about the real square root function that maps nonnegative real numbers to the same set of numbers.

In any case, the original equation was ##\sqrt x + 1 = 0##, or ##\sqrt x = -1##. If we square both sides, we get ##x = 1,## but this is not a solution of the first equation. In short, the equations ##\sqrt x + 1 = 0## and ##x = 1## are not equivalent.
 
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Izy Amisheeva said:
(√x )+ 1 = 0

ei α/2 = ei π

i α / 2 = i pi

This is not equivalent to the previous equation since ##e^A = e^B## does not imply ##A = B##

so the solution will be e2 i π
This solution actually works when replaced in the equation.

The solution for ##\alpha## works when replaced in the equation ##i \alpha / 2 = i \pi##, but that equation is not equivalent to the original equation.
 
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DaveE said:
√1 = ±1
No, √1= 1. The square root of a positive real number, √a, is defined as the positive number, x, such that x^2= a.
 

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