Resultant of two waves -- Different amplitude+phase difference

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The discussion revolves around finding the resultant of two waves using both the phasor method and algebraic manipulation. The waves are defined as E1 = 4cos(ωt) and E2 = 3cos(ωt + π/2), which introduces concepts of amplitude and phase difference in wave interference.

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  • Participants explore different methods for combining the two waves, including the phasor method and algebraic manipulation. There are discussions on how to express the resultant wave in a form that isolates cosine terms, and questions arise about the effectiveness of the suggested techniques.

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Some participants have provided alternative methods for approaching the problem, suggesting that the original poster consider different forms for the wave equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between amplitude, phase angle, and the resultant wave, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note the potential clumsiness of certain methods and express a preference for deriving relationships rather than memorizing formulas. There is also mention of the importance of understanding the underlying principles in engineering and physics contexts.

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Homework Statement


a.) Find the resultant of the two waves: Phasor method
E1 = 4cos(ωt) & E2 = 3cos(ωt+\frac{\pi}{2})

b.) By algebraically writing
E1 = 4cos(ωt+α-α) & E2 = 3cos(ωt+α+\frac{\pi}{2}-α)

Choose α to make the wave have only a cosine term

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I'll show my working for the algebraic attempt so far, then try and see how to do it via phasors later.

E0 = E1 + E2
E0 = 4cos(ωt+α-α)+3cos(ωt+α+\frac{\pi}{2}-α)
My ability to use LaTeX ran out... sorry, I just couldn't get it to work. I'll try to keep it clear... ;(

[ 4 . Cos(α) + 3 . Cos( π/2 - α) ] . Cos(ωt + α) + [ 4 . Sin(α) - 3 . Sin( π/2 - α) ] . Sin(ωt + α)

Make the wave have only a cosine term ∴

[ 4 . Sin(α) - 3 . Sin( π/2 - α) ] = 0

4. Sin(α) = 3. Cos(α)
tan(α) = 3/4

That's pretty much as far as I got. I wasn't sure what to do after this. Any help would me much appreciated.

Many thanks...

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The technique they are trying to teach you in part "b" is somewhat clumsy IMO, and I will show you what I do with expressions like these. You can probably work it to the method they are trying to teach you in part "b". You need to first get the sum expressions in the form ## y=Acos(\omega t)+Bsin(\omega t) ##. ## \\ ## (In the case of ## E2=-3sin(\omega t) ## , by use of the ## cos(\theta +\phi) ## identity.) ## \\ ## Anyway, once you have the form as shown, factor as follows: ## y=\sqrt{A^2+B^2} [\frac{A}{\sqrt{A^2+B^2}}cos(\omega t)+\frac{B}{\sqrt{A^2+B^2}}sin(\omega t)] ##. ## \\ ## Let ## cos(\phi)=\frac{A}{\sqrt{A^2+B^2}} ## and ## sin(\phi)=\frac{B}{\sqrt{A^2+B^2}} ##. ## \\ ## Then ## y=\sqrt{A^2+B^2}cos(\omega t-\phi) ## . ## \\ ## (Notice how the identity ## cos(\omega t-\phi)=cos(\omega t)cos(\phi)+sin(\omega t) sin(\phi) ## was used here. Notice also that ## \phi=tan^{-1}(\frac{B}{A}) ##.) ## \\ ## This comes up often enough in engineering and/or physics that the procedure is something worth memorizing. Perhaps the ## \phi ## that I found is the ## \alpha ## that they want you to find, but their method appears somewhat clumsy to me.
 
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Instead of memorizing formulas, you can derive the amplitude and phase angle of the sum.
You want to make 4cos(ωt)+3cos(ωt+π/2)=Acos(ωt+θ)
Expand the cosines:
4cos(ωt) - 3sin(ωt) = Acos(ωt)cosθ - Asin(ωt)sin(θ).
Collect the terms with cos(ωt) and the ones, with sin(ωt):
[4-Acos(θ)]cos(ωt) + [ -3 + A sin(θ)] sin(ωt)
The equation should be true for all values of t, so the coefficients of both cos(ωt) and sin(ωt) have to be zero.
Acos(θ) - 4 = 0, Asin(θ)-3=0, or
Acos(θ) = 4 and
Asin(θ) = 3
You get A2 by squaring the last two equations and adding them (and using that sin2(θ)+cos2(θ)=1). Dividing both equations with A, you get both the sine and cosine of the phase angle theta. Yes, you are right, tan(θ)=3/4. Find theta (in radians).
 
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Thank you both. Your responses were very helpful and I think I've got it now. I have another question, but I'll post that as a separate thread.
 

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