Shear Force Calculation for Punching Rectangular Holes in Mild Steel Plate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of shear force required for punching rectangular holes in a mild steel plate, as well as the determination of the number of bolts needed to withstand a specified shear force. Participants explore the correct methods for calculating shear force and discuss related concepts such as punching shear and bolt shear stress.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the force required to punch a rectangular hole using the area of the rectangle multiplied by the ultimate shear strength, arriving at a figure of 864 kN, which conflicts with the book's answer of 202 kN.
  • Another participant points out that the initial calculation is incorrect because it does not account for punching shear, suggesting that the area in shear should be calculated as the perimeter times the thickness of the plate.
  • A participant recalculates the shear force using the correct perimeter method and arrives at the book's answer of 202 kN, expressing gratitude for the assistance received.
  • In a separate question, a participant seeks help determining the number of bolts needed to hold overlapping strips of metal against a shear force of 75.4 kN, given an allowable shear stress of 120 MPa.
  • Another participant explains that the bolts are in single shear and emphasizes the importance of checking bearing or tear-out stress, which relates to the perimeter times the strip thickness.
  • A participant attempts to calculate the number of bolts needed but expresses uncertainty about their method and results, leading to further discussion about the importance of diagrams and attention to detail in calculations.
  • One participant suggests that drawing a diagram could clarify the problem, while another provides a formula for calculating the number of bolts based on shear stress and area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of using the correct method for calculating shear force, but there are differing views on the calculations and approaches to the bolt problem, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in some aspects.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about shear areas and material properties, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the bolt calculation that may affect the final answer.

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I have just reg'd here and I have been lurking forever but its time to give in so I can get some help.


Ive been working through some examples in this book; and so far so good however I am on a question which does not make sense the way I am working it out seems to me to be correct however the answer directs me elsewhere.


The question is on hear force.


Determine the force required to punch 20 x 15 mm rectangular holes in am ild steel plate 8mm thick..


Now I've done a similar question but with a circle instead of the rectangle..


I don't see the problem here..


Formulas which it prompts me to use is for Area = 20 x 15 x t (8) t = thickness..


Which is 2400 respectively. With this answer I multiply for the USS (ultimate shear strength of the material which is given mild steel = 360N .


And I get a figure of 864,000 or 864 KN..


The answer in the back of this book is 202kN. I am Stumped What Am I doing wrong?


Apologies if this is a bit to simple or It comes off as stupid. Its racking my brain...
 
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You are getting the wrong answer because you are not calculating the punching shear.

The area you are calculating is the surface area of the rectangle being punched out. This is not the area in shear.

The area in shear is the perimeter times the thickness.

The answer given by the book is correct.

Does this help?

Incidentally I strongly recommend taking more care with units, you are incorrectly stating stress in Newtons. Attention to detail is all important in the technical world.
 
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20+20+15+15 x 8 = 70

70 * 8 = 560

560 * 360 = 201600 / 1000 = 201.6 = 202kNI Thank you for the help. I may post more in here.Im going to contribute as much as I can here. You've been more help than my tutor has. Thanks again.
 
You are welcome, glad I could help you see it for yourself, that's the best way, but don't be afraid to ask for more detail if needed.

:wink:
 
Im Going to post another question here...This is something once again with shear...

I don't quite understand why this is.

Determine the required number of 10mm mild steel bolts to hold two over lapping strips of metal against a total shear force of 75.4kN if the allowable stress in shear is 120MPaIm not quite certain how to go about this one.

However I am going to keep trying..Can anyone provide some insight? Thanks
 
The bolts for two strips of steel are in single shear.

This means that there is only one cross section of the bolt under shear stress.

So total shear = shear stress on each bolt x number of bolts.

However you also have to check the bearing or tear out stress here.

This is failure of a metal strip, not a bolt. This stress is a bit like the punching shear in that it is (almost) perimeter times strip thickness.

A diagram helps.
 
Let me give it a shot; No diagram just working out of a book with next to no explanation.
 
Like I said this is a stab in the dark I don't want to come off as stupid...so I am thinking

A = 2 x pie*10^2/4 = 157

then wed use f = F / A

so wed have 75400/157 = 480.25

then wed use what you suggested..480.25 = 120 B

B = Boltsthis will equal 4 .. We multiply by 2 because of two strips.. So wed get 8..This is the right answer in the back of the book however I am unsure that its correct...Am I completely wrong?
 
this will equal 4 .. We multiply by 2 because of two strips.. So wed get 8..

No this is not correct. If you draw a diagram you will see why. Just because there is no diagram in the book, does not stop you drawing one.

I really suggest you pay more attention to detail, including written English. It will help you enormously get things right. This is the biggest cause of wrong answers = lost marks.

I do indeed make it 8 bolts thus:-

[tex]N.\pi .\frac{{{{(10)}^2}}}{4}{.120.10^6}{.10^{ - 6}} = 75400[/tex]

Where N is the number of bolts.
 
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I will look over it again once I am home infront of my books. Thanks again for the help
 
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In case this helps, a multiplication dot in latex is {\cdot}, I think. For example,

a{\cdot}b gives [tex]a{\cdot}b[/tex], and
a\cdot b gives [tex]a\cdot b[/tex].​
 
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Thank you, nvn.

Not being a LaTex fiend I am using (learning) MathType. I have now located the multiplication point, which I was using for clarity and emphasis in this case, in MT.
 

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