Shining a laser out of a train - What does the stationary

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of light emitted from a laser pointer on a train traveling at relativistic speeds, specifically addressing how a stationary observer perceives the speed of the laser light relative to the train's speed. The scope includes concepts from special relativity and the implications of relative motion on the perception of light speed.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a stationary observer would see the laser light moving ahead of the train at full speed or at a reduced speed due to the train's motion.
  • Another participant asserts that the light is always seen traveling at speed c from the observer's perspective, regardless of the train's speed, and calculates the relative separation between the train and the light pulse.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial confusion but emphasizes that the observer sees the light moving at speed c, suggesting that the speed of the emitting object does not affect this perception.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to interpret the relationship between the speed of the train and the speed of light as perceived by the observer. While some agree that light travels at speed c, there is contention regarding the implications of this on the observer's perception of the light's position relative to the train.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of light speed in relation to moving observers and the implications of special relativity, particularly concerning how different frames of reference affect the understanding of light propagation.

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Lets say its the future your camera has an insanely fast shutter speed. You're standing on the ground watching a train travel past at just under the speed of light and the train driver is shining a laser pointer out the front window. With your insanely fast reflexes you take a take a picture of the train (or better yet you record a video). Would you see the laser light slowly moving ahead of the train, or would you see the laser beam traveling ahead of the train at full speed? If its the latter, I'm mighty confused because I can't see how you would record normal light speed for the laser beam, rather than light speed + the speed of the train.

If its the former then I think I'm starting to get my head around special relativity.
 
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You "see" the light as traveling at speed c. If the train is traveling at 0.99c for the sake of argument, then from your point of view, the separation between the train and the light pulse increases at the rate of 0.01c.

From the point of view of someone on the train, the light pulse recedes at speed c.
 
Ah right, so the stationary observer sees the light travel ahead of the train at 0.01c, that's what I needed to know, thanks a lot.
 
mycotheology said:
Ah right, so the stationary observer sees the light travel ahead of the train at 0.01c, that's what I needed to know, thanks a lot.

Just keep in mind that that is a somewhat dangerous way of looking at things from the point of view of understanding physics. What the observer sees is light moving at c. The speed of the emitting object is irrelevant.
 

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