Laser Pointer at Speed of Light: Does It Point Ahead?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conceptual implications of holding a laser pointer while moving at a speed very close to the speed of light. Participants explore how the behavior of light from the laser pointer is perceived from different reference frames, addressing the nuances of relativistic effects on speed and light propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a laser pointer held while moving at 1 m/s slower than the speed of light would only point one meter ahead, indicating a conceptual curiosity about light propagation and relative motion.
  • Another participant explains that observers in the frame moving at (c - 1 m/s) would see the laser light advancing at 1 m/s relative to them, while the person holding the laser would perceive the light moving away at the speed of light.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that there is no absolute speed, suggesting that the laser light moves ahead at light speed (c) relative to the person holding it, while others at rest relative to a different observer would see the person trailing behind the laser pulse due to relativistic effects like time dilation and length contraction.
  • One participant introduces the relativistic velocity addition formula, discussing how velocities combine in a relativistic context and noting that using classical intuition can lead to incorrect conclusions at high speeds.
  • A repeated question from the first post reinforces the initial inquiry, highlighting the ongoing uncertainty and lack of resolution regarding the conceptual understanding of light behavior in this scenario.
  • Another participant asserts that the laser beam will always move away from the holder at the same speed, regardless of the holder's speed, indicating a fundamental principle of relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how light behaves in relation to the speed of the observer. While some agree that the laser light moves at the speed of light relative to the holder, others emphasize the perspective of different observers, leading to an unresolved discussion with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference relativistic effects such as time dilation and length contraction, which may not be fully understood or agreed upon in the context of the discussion. The application of the relativistic velocity addition formula is also noted, but its implications remain a point of contention.

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This is just kind of an odd question that has to do more with concept than practice but if you were going 1m/s slower than the speed of light and were holding a laser pointer would the laser only point one meter ahead of you? I know that light doesn't add like normal vectors but this is something I have been wondering and my physics teacher hasn't been able to answer it
 
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Joe Butler said:
if you were going 1m/s slower than the speed of light and were holding a laser pointer would the laser only point one meter ahead of you?
Observers in the frame that sees you moving at that speed (c - 1 m/s) will see you moving almost at the speed of light, with the light advancing just 1 m/s ahead of you. You, of course, will see the light racing away from you at light speed with respect to you.

(All inertial observers will "see" the light moving at light speed c with respect to them.)
 
There is no absolute notion of speed, so you can always regard yourself as stationary. Therefore, the light from your laser races ahead of you at 3x108ms-1 - according to you and anybody at rest relative to you.

However, I may see you as traveling very close to the speed of light. In that case, I will see you following close behind the laser pulse, as will anyone at rest relative to me. But remember time dilation and length contraction - to me, your clocks tick slowly and your rulers are short. So I am not suprised that you measure the light to be going much faster than you.

Regarding "adding like normal vectors" - all velocities add using this formula:$$u'=\frac{u-v}{1-uv/c^2}$$If I say you are traveling at speed v in the +x direction, and something else is traveling at speed u in the +x direction, you will say it is traveling at speed u' in the +x direction. You may like to see what u' is when u=c.

You can also see that when the speeds u and v are very much less than c then the denominator is very close to one, and you get ##u'\simeq u-v##, which is what your everyday intuition would tell you. Technically, you are always wrong to use that formula, but it doesn't matter very much for everyday speeds. To illustrate that, you might like to consider this - if you are in a car which I (standing by the road side) say is doing v=88ft/s (which is 60mph) and I see another car doing u=-88ft/s (60mph in the opposite direction) what speed u' will you see? Light travels at 1,000,000,000ft/s.
 
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Joe Butler said:
This is just kind of an odd question that has to do more with concept than practice but if you were going 1m/s slower than the speed of light and were holding a laser pointer would the laser only point one meter ahead of you? I know that light doesn't add like normal vectors but this is something I have been wondering and my physics teacher hasn't been able to answer it

That's a shame about your physics teacher. The basis of the entire theory is that the laser beam will move away from you at the same speed regardless of how fast you are moving.
 
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