Short Cylindrical Vacuum Chamber

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the design and construction of a short cylindrical vacuum chamber intended for shipping radon contamination sensitive samples. Participants explore the necessary calculations and material specifications required to ensure the chamber can withstand vacuum conditions, while also addressing safety concerns related to handling radon.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the dimensions and construction plan for the vacuum chamber, seeking guidance on the required thickness of the top and bottom plates to withstand vacuum pressure.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the safety implications of working with radon, suggesting that the original poster may not have the necessary expertise to undertake this project alone.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding industry standards and regulations, specifically mentioning ASME codes and DOT codes for pressure vessels, and advises checking compliance requirements before proceeding with the design.
  • There is a reiteration of the original poster's intent to prevent radon exposure, clarifying their purpose for needing a vacuum chamber.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the original poster's level of expertise and the safety of the project. While some participants are concerned about the risks associated with handling radon, others defend the original poster's intentions and knowledge. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and standards needed for the vacuum chamber's construction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential need for compliance with specific industry standards, but details on the exact calculations or material specifications required for the vacuum chamber remain unclear. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the original poster's experience and the implications of working with hazardous materials.

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I seek to build a vacuum chamber for shipping radon contamination sensitive samples. The cylinder will have a height of approximately 2 inches, and needs an inner diameter of 10 inches. The plan is to weld stainless steel pipe to a plate on the bottom, and to have a lid bolt on to the pipe with a copper seal. I need to determine what thickness the top and bottom plates need to be to withstand vacuum. What sort of calculations would I need to do to figure this? I figure I need to find the displacement in the center and make sure it is less than some percentage of the thickness?
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
Welcome, Rolltide.
Because I don't don't know anything about you, I seriously recommend that you don't even think about trying to do this on your own. If you're messing about with radon without knowing what you're doing, you and possibly many others could be seriously injured.
I'm going to alert a Mentor to query you as to your level of experience.
 
I appreciate your concern Danger, but we're you to read my post rather than searching it for keywords, you would see I want to STOP exposure of things to radon, I'm am not "messing about". I included such information to explain why I seek to use a vacuum chamber since the most frequent question asked of people seeking information about vacuum chambers is why they need one in the first place.
 
rolltide16 said:
I appreciate your concern Danger, but we're you to read my post rather than searching it for keywords,
Sorry. I did actually read it, but didn't know the level at which you are dealing with it. It seems to be a clinical environment, and you're conversant enough to show that you know your objective. It's just that I had no way to know whether you're a scientist or a janitor or an intern or whatever. I meant no insult. Some of us who grew up during the Cold War and aren't experts in radiation are a bit timid about it. (I still have no idea as to whether or not the radium-painted hands on my dad's glow-in-the-dark watch are what gave him bone cancer. :()
 
rolltide16 said:
I seek to build a vacuum chamber for shipping radon contamination sensitive samples. The cylinder will have a height of approximately 2 inches, and needs an inner diameter of 10 inches. The plan is to weld stainless steel pipe to a plate on the bottom, and to have a lid bolt on to the pipe with a copper seal. I need to determine what thickness the top and bottom plates need to be to withstand vacuum. What sort of calculations would I need to do to figure this? I figure I need to find the displacement in the center and make sure it is less than some percentage of the thickness?
Hi rolltide. For a shipping container, it will almost certainly need to comply with some industry standard depending on what country it's being used in and what mode of transportation (ship, truck, aircraft) it's carried by. In the US, it would most likely need to meet ASME code, but I'm not absolutely certain. There are also DOT codes for pressure vessels. ASME Section VIII, Division 1 of the code covers something like this. Check paragraph UG-34 for unstayed flat heads & covers.

I'd suggest trying to find out what codes it needs to comply with before you design it and who or how it needs to be certified.
 

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