Shortest path on dynamic graph

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the conditions under which a shortest path connecting multiple objects orbiting Earth can exist, particularly in the context of dynamic graphs where the objects have varying velocities. The scope includes theoretical considerations of geometry and motion in a spherical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the point at which a shortest path connecting orbiting objects exists, suggesting the possibility that no such configuration may exist.
  • Another participant proposes that a state with a shortest path likely exists due to the differing velocities of the satellites, especially over an infinite time frame.
  • A further contribution clarifies that if the objects are constrained to a spherical shell and lie on a great circle, two cases arise: if the ratios of their velocities are rational, they will coincide at certain times; if not, a shorter distance will always be possible.
  • There is a suggestion that the analysis could extend to consider all possible ratios of velocity components, with similar conclusions about coinciding times or shorter distances.
  • A participant inquires about software for graphing the infimum related to the discussed paths.
  • Another participant states that the infimum is always zero and suggests a statistical analysis approach to assess the likelihood of paths being shorter than a certain distance before a specified time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a configuration that yields a shortest path, with some suggesting it is likely while others present conditions under which it may not be the case. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive conditions for the existence of such paths.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of the velocities and their ratios, as well as the dependence on the geometric constraints of the problem. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in proving the claims made.

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Shortest path on dynamic "graph"

Suppose you have n objects orbiting Earth with velocities v1, ..., vn. Starting from t=0, the objects are at positions x1,..., xn; how do you calculate at what point they will be at a state such that the shortest path (arcs of great cirlces) connecting all of them will exist? Is it possible that no such configuration exists (there will always be a shorter one)?
 
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I don't know how to describe the answer mathematically but I think such a state exists since the satellites have different velocities. So considering an infinite time there will be a high probability for such a state to exist.
 
Since you say the paths joining the particles are arcs of great circles, I assume that x1, x2, ... ,xn are each two-dimensional coordinates [itex]x_i = (\theta_i,\phi_i)[/itex] and all of the objects are constrained to a spherical shell with radius greater than the earth.

First, consider the case where the all the objects lie on a great circle (wolog, take [itex]\phi_i[/itex] t be zero for each i). Two cases:

Case 1: For each [itex]i,j[/itex] we have [itex]\frac{v_i}{v_j}[/itex] be a rational number. In this case there is some time t* (in fact infinitely many such times since the motion is periodic in this case) such that [itex]x_i = x_j[/itex] for all i,j. In other words, all the "objects" collide simultaneously at time t*. The proof of this consist of trig identities.

Case 2. If any two of the orbits are not commensurate, then there is always a shorter distance. This is a consequence of the above trig identities and the fact that the image of the Sequence {Sin(n)} is dense in [0,1].

The extension to the general case only requires that we consider not the ratios between the magnitudes of the velocities, but rather all possible ratios between (both of) the components of (each of) the velocities. If these ratios are all rational, then there is a time when the particles will coincide; otherwise there will always be a shorter time. The proof is in the same spirit as the above.
 
Suppose I want to graph the infimum something like this, what software would I have to use?
 
The infimum is always zero, I apologize for not making that clear.

It sounds like you might be more interested in a statistical analysis, e.g. what is the chance that the path between the objects is smaller than distance x before time t (where time t could be a billion years).
 

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