Motivation for Lagrangian mechanics

In summary, the conversation discusses the implementation of Lagrangian mechanics at a mathematical level and its physical intuition. Instead of using Newton's 2nd law to determine the physical path of a system, Lagrangian mechanics takes a variational approach by considering all possible paths between two configurations. The Lagrangian function, which characterizes the dynamics of a system, depends on the positions and velocities of all constituent components. The action, a functional that maps each path to a real number, is used to find the physical path of the system through a principle of stationary action. This is achieved by solving the Euler-Lagrange equation, which is the equation of motion for the system. The conversation also touches on the relationship between forces and the
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I know how to implement Lagrangian mechanics at a mathematical level and also know that it follows the approach of calculus of variations (i.e. optimisation of functionals, finding their stationary values etc.), however, I'm unsure whether I've grasped the physical intuition behind the formulation correctly. In the following, I have written down how I "see" it and hope that people will be able to give me feedback on whether I have understood it correctly at all, or not.

Instead of determining all the forces that are acting on a particular system and then solving Newton's 2nd law to determine the physical path of the system, we instead take a different approach by considering the possible paths that a system could take between two different configurations and employ variational techniques to determine the actual physical path the system takes between these two points.
This is advantageous over the Newtonian approach since we don't have to worry about all the different forces acting on the system and avoid the awkwardness of changing between Euclidean coordinates and other curvilinear coordinate systems encountered in solving the equations of motion in Newtonian mechanics, since such a variational approach is coordinate independent and so we can judiciously choose a set of "generalised" coordinates, ##\lbrace q^{i}\rbrace## that enable one to solve the problem as efficiently as possible.

To use such an approach we first need a function that characterises the dynamics of a physical system for every possible configuration that it could assume. Empirically, we know that the physical state of a system, at a given instant in time, is fully specified through knowledge of the positions, ##\lbrace q^{i}\rbrace## and velocities, ##\lbrace \dot{q}^{i}\rbrace## of all the constituent components of the system at that instant. Thus, such a function, which we call the Lagrangian of the system, must depend on the state of the system at each point in its so-called configuration space. A priori, before considering any particular path of the system through configuration space, the positions and velocities defining the state of the system at a given instant can be chosen independently. This implies that the Lagrangian should be a function of both position and velocity, i.e. ##\mathcal{L}=\mathcal{L}(q_{i},\dot{q}_{i})##.

Given this, we now wish to distinguish each path that the system can take through configuration space. We do so by assigning a number to each path. This is achieved by defining a functional, ##S##, the action, which maps each given path, ##q(t)=(q_{1}(t),\ldots ,q_{n}(t))## that the system can take, to a real number. Since the Lagrangian evaluated along a given path characterises the dynamics of the system at each instant in time as the system moves along the path, we define the action in terms of this, i.e. $$S\left[q(t)\right]=\int_{t_{i}}^{t_{f}}\mathcal{L}(q(t),\dot{q}(t))dt$$ where ##t_{i}## and ##t_{f}## are the initial and final instants in time, enabling us to quantify the end points of the section of the path we are considering. Note also that we have now evaluated the Lagrangian along a particular path such that ##\mathcal{L}(q(t),\dot{q}(t))##, and ##q## and ##\dot{q}## are no longer independent, but related by ##\dot{q}(t)=\frac{d}{dt}q(t)##.

With this initial formalism in place, to find the true physical path of the system between two configurations (at two instants in time ##t_{i}## and ##t_{f}##) we invoke a variational principle. This is the so-called principle of stationary action, motivated by empirical observations, it states that the physical path taken by a given system (through configuration space) is the one that extremises the action, ##S## of the system. Thus, we take a putative curve ##\bar{q}(t)## with fixed end points at ##\bar{q}(t_{i})## and ##\bar{q}(t_{f})##, and make variations of the path in the neighbourhood of this curve between these two end points. This induces a variation in the action, and we require that this variation vanishes at first-order. We thus find that for ##\bar{q}(t)## to be the physical path taken by the system (i.e. an extremal path of ##S##), it must satisfy the Euler-Lagrange equation $$\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial q}-\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{q}}\right)=0$$ which is the equation of motion for the system.

Sorry this is long-winded, but I really want to check that I understand the concept correctly (at least at an intuitive level), so I have put down my thoughts on the subject.
 
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I think you have understood it correctly and expressed it properly. I would just like to say that this force but it is not so approach avoids the concept of force. But the fact is otherwise. You cannot write the potential function in terms of coordinates unless you know the nature of interaction or the nature of force.
 
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Let'sthink said:
I think you have understood it correctly and expressed it properly. I would just like to say that this force but it is not so approach avoids the concept of force. But the fact is otherwise. You cannot write the potential function in terms of coordinates unless you know the nature of interaction or the nature of force.

Thanks for taking a look.
You're right, I didn't word that part particularly well. What I meant was that you don't need to explicitly right out the forces using the Lagrangian formalism; the dynamics can be deduced through knowledge of the how the force affects the potential and also the kinetic energy of the system.
 

1. What is the concept of motivation for Lagrangian mechanics?

The concept of motivation for Lagrangian mechanics is to understand the underlying principles and mathematical framework behind the laws of motion. It seeks to explain the behavior of physical systems by minimizing a function known as the Lagrangian, which takes into account the kinetic and potential energies of the system.

2. How does Lagrangian mechanics differ from Newtonian mechanics?

Lagrangian mechanics differs from Newtonian mechanics in that it is based on the principle of least action, rather than Newton's laws of motion. This means that instead of considering forces and accelerations, Lagrangian mechanics focuses on finding the path that minimizes the action of a system.

3. What are the advantages of using Lagrangian mechanics?

There are several advantages of using Lagrangian mechanics. First, it provides a unified approach to solving problems in different areas of physics, such as classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics. Second, it allows for a more elegant and concise mathematical formulation of the laws of motion. Finally, it can be used to solve complex problems that may be difficult to solve using traditional methods.

4. Can Lagrangian mechanics be applied to all physical systems?

Yes, Lagrangian mechanics can be applied to all physical systems, as long as the system can be described by a set of generalized coordinates and a Lagrangian function can be defined. This includes systems with constraints, non-conservative forces, and even quantum systems.

5. How is the Lagrangian function determined for a given system?

The Lagrangian function is determined by considering the kinetic and potential energies of the system, as well as any external forces or constraints. It is typically written as the difference between the kinetic energy and potential energy, and it may also include any other terms that describe the system's dynamics, such as damping or friction. The goal is to find the function that, when minimized, yields the equations of motion for the system.

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