Should I Study Geometrical Proofs for Derivatives of Cos and Sin?

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The discussion revolves around whether one should study geometrical proofs for the derivatives of sine and cosine functions in addition to analytical proofs. Participants explore the value of geometrical intuition in understanding these concepts, particularly in the context of pursuing further studies in mathematics and physics.

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  • One participant expresses a preference for analytical proofs over geometrical ones, questioning the necessity of developing geometrical intuition.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding both types of proofs can provide multiple perspectives, making it easier to apply the concepts later.
  • A participant acknowledges the importance of intuition but expresses skepticism about the value of geometrical proofs, stating they feel confident in their understanding through analytical methods alone.
  • One participant emphasizes that understanding the relationship between trigonometric identities and geometry is beneficial, citing the connection to Pythagoras's theorem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus. Some advocate for the importance of geometrical intuition, while others question its necessity, indicating a divergence in viewpoints regarding the value of geometrical proofs.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definition and nature of "geometrical proofs," which may affect their perspectives on the topic.

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For proofs such as the derivative of cos or sin.. should I study them both analytically and geometrically? By analytically I mean to derive them by algebraic means. Or should I also study the geometrical "intuition" behind it?

I love proofs but aren't completely fond of the geometrical "proofs", I was watching MIT opencourseware and stumbled upon the geometrical "proofs" of things like derivatives of cos and sin. Question is, should I even bother to understand them?

For a little background: I love mathematics and I'm pursuing theoretical physics. I'm only up to calculus at the moment and I'm trying to understand as much of the proofs as possible; simply because I find it fun and worthwhile. Is it necessary to start developing the geometrical intuition behind some proofs? Would it help for my further studies? As of the moment I see it as a waste of time, and enjoy the "real" proofs much more.
 
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Yes, try to understand both proofs. The more point-of-views you get on a certain subject, the easier it will be to apply this subject later on.

Actually, I don't really see what you mean with "geometrical proof", but I guess it's probably some argument that gives intuition behind things. This intuition is very important. So do try to understand it.

In general: the more you study right now, the easier it will be later on. I wish somebody told me this when I was young...
 
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Yes, try to understand both proofs. The more point-of-views you get on a certain subject, the easier it will be to apply this subject later on.

Actually, I don't really see what you mean with "geometrical proof", but I guess it's probably some argument that gives intuition behind things. This intuition is very important. So do try to understand it.

In general: the more you study right now, the easier it will be later on. I wish somebody told me this when I was young...

Yes, I said geometrical "proof" because its not really a proof at all. I don't really see how the intuition behind the geometry of it is very important, I feel like I completely understand the concept through the regular proof.

In general: the more you study right now, the easier it will be later on. I wish somebody told me this when I was young...
I'm also on the same boat, I wish I would have paid attention to high school algebra. I remember my calculus test the other week.. I completely aced eveything calculus related, only to get stumped on problems dealing with application of linear equations of which were roughly 1/9 the grade of the test.

Though I suppose I caught this problem earlier than you, I'm only on calculus I at the moment. =p
 
It's impossible to "understand too much" IMO.

Certainly you ought to be able to relate simple trig formulas to geometry. It won't hurt if you realize that [itex]\cos^2 \theta + \sin^2 \theta = 1[/itex] is exactly the same as Pythagoras's theorem, for example.
 

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