Should I Use College Physics for Self-Studying: Algebra or Calculus Based?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the suitability of using the "College Physics (7th Edition)" textbook by Sears, Zemansky, and Young for self-study in physics, particularly in relation to whether it is algebra-based or calculus-based. Participants explore the implications of using this book given the user's background in algebra and trigonometry, and their plans to study calculus concurrently.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Bob expresses uncertainty about whether the "College Physics" book is algebra-based or calculus-based, noting its potential outdatedness and asking for insights on its content.
  • Some participants, like SZY, argue that the book is well-regarded and not significantly outdated, suggesting that there have been no major advances in freshman physics that would render it obsolete.
  • Bob finds the book interesting and helpful for reviewing trigonometry, indicating a willingness to study calculus alongside it, although he acknowledges the need to adapt problems for calculus.
  • Other participants assert that using a calculus-based textbook is essential for a deeper understanding of physics, referencing historical context regarding Newton's discoveries.
  • Bob acknowledges the value of calculus but emphasizes his intention to use the current book since it is available to him at no cost.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of using a calculus-based textbook versus continuing with the algebra-based "College Physics." While some advocate for the latter, others emphasize the importance of calculus in understanding physics concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for Bob's self-study.

Contextual Notes

Bob's uncertainty about the book's classification and its relevance to his studies highlights the potential limitations in understanding the material without a calculus foundation. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying opinions on the importance of textbook currency in the context of foundational physics education.

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Hi, my name is "Bob" I have a particular question about a specific book.

Preface...
It has been a while since I formally studied Physics. The type of Physics book I remember using last was I believe, Algebra-based. This was in high school. Based on my degree, I studied Algebra and Trigonometry.

Since I was being cheap, I asked a friend for her physics book She gave me...

"College Physics (7th Edition)Sears, Francis W.; Zemansky, Mark W.; Young, Hugh D. "

which to me seems like an outdated book and I think it is Algebra-based.

My question...
Do I continue with this book, or should I get one specifically Calculus-Based? If so what one?

Because I really like the challenge questions it asks at the end of every concept it covers per chapter.

Also a note: I have not taken Calculus. However, I plan on doing Calculus alongside a Calculus-based Physics book. This is also not for any school but purely for my knowledge. However, just in case I take some accredited class I would like to be well informed.

EDIT:

I think I should have made it clear.

I do not know if this book IS Algebra-based.
It seems to be using delta change. However, it also uses none linear motion. I don't remember any none linear motion equations used in Physics I took in high school. Which I think was Algebra-based.

So my question is not "algebra or calculus" based physics. My question was does anyone know ANYTHING about this book?

That is why I said "Specific" book. I think it was written in 1992-97.

Should I use this book based on this date? Is it outdated?
 
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SZY is a very well known text. I wouldn't worry about the book being outdated. There have been no great advances in Freshman Physics in the past 60 years. In fact, I have some of Sears books from the 1950s that are great. If you like the book, stick with it.
 
Daverz said:
SZY is a very well known text. I wouldn't worry about the book being outdated. There have been no great advances in Freshman Physics in the past 60 years. In fact, I have some of Sears books from the 1950s that are great. If you like the book, stick with it.

Hey Davez, thanks for the reply.

Yeah, the more I am reading it the more it is becoming interesting. Oddly enough they are using trigonometry and algebra in this but I suppose that is basic for an intro to physics. Which is a plus to me because I don't remember that much of trigonometry. This helps me review a lot of it. I did not think I would understand it, but I am understanding it just fine. I really like the examples they give.

I am tempted to start calculus alongside it. I might just do an equation in algebra and calculus. But I would have to modify the question to fit calculus style problem. Well, we will see how this goes.

EDIT:
I also want to point out that the title question for this thread is incorrect.

I am not asking about college physics. I am asking about a specific book. It so happens that the title of the books was "College Physics"

This is also not a question for if "should do algebra or calculus based". I just wanted to know if anyone knew anything about the specific book I mentioned and if so, what is it based on?

Unfortunately, I do not know if I can edit it.
 
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No matter what, you should definitely use a calculus based textbook. It's not by chance that Newton discovered calculus before he made is great discoveries in physics (although for him these were only side subjects, and Haley had to beat him to publish his master piece, the Principia). It's much better to learn calculus with a little effort than trying to understand physics without it since this is impossible anyway!
 
vanhees71 said:
No matter what, you should definitely use a calculus-based textbook. It's not by chance that Newton discovered calculus before he made is great discoveries in physics (although for him these were only side subjects, and Haley had to beat him to publish his master piece, the Principia). It's much better to learn calculus with a little effort than trying to understand physics without it since this is impossible anyway!

Yeah, I know where you are coming from.

However, I am sure there were great discoveries before calculus. I am not disagreeing, but I have this book here and now so I might as well use it. Besides, it was free.

I still plan on doing calculus-based physics for more precision.

Thanks for the comment Van.
 

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