Should the Answer Be B? | Reasoning Explained

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The discussion centers on the correct interpretation of equations related to simple harmonic motion (SHM) and pendulum dynamics. The standard equation for the period of a simple pendulum is T = 2π√(L/g), while the period for a mass on a spring is T = 2π√(m/k). Participants clarify that angular frequency (ω) and angular speed (dθ/dt) are distinct concepts, leading to confusion in calculations. The emphasis is on not mixing these equations, as doing so can yield incorrect results.

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Homework Statement
The angular frequency of a simple pendulum depends on its length and on the local acceleration due to gravity. The rate at which the angular displacement of the pendulum changes, dθ/dt, is:

A. √ (mgL/I)
B. √(g/L)
C. 2兀 (L/g)
D. √(k/m)
E. none of the above
Relevant Equations
F=-kx
T=2兀/w
w = √(g/L)
I think the answer should be B, not E.

Here's the reasoning:
F = -kx = mg sinθ = -mg θ (because θ very small) = -mgx/L
T = 2π*√(m/k) = 2π*√(m/(mg/L)) = 2π*√(L/g)
Also, T= 2π/w and thus, w = dθ/dt = √(g/L)
 
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hidemi said:
Here's the reasoning:
F = -kx = mg sinθ = -mg θ (because θ very small) = -mgx/L
T = 2π*√(m/k) = 2π*√(m/(mg/L)) = 2π*√(L/g)
Also, T= 2π/w and thus, w = dθ/dt = √(g/L)
Point 1

For simple harmonic motion (SHM):
The standard equation for the period of a simple pendulum is ##T = 2\pi \sqrt \frac L g##.
The standard equation for the period of a mass (m) oscillating on a spring (spring constant k) is ##T = 2\pi \sqrt\frac m k##

You seem to be mixing these equations together! By accident, this may give a sensible answer - but it is incorrect to do this.

Point 2

Angular frequency and angular speed are not the same thing, though the same symbol, ##\omega##, is often used for both. This causes confusion!

In the context of SHM, angular frequency is given by ##\omega = \frac {2\pi} {T}## where T is the period, Since T is constant for SHM, ##\omega## is constant.

In the context of a changing angle (e.g. circular motion), angular speed is given by ##\omega = \frac {d\theta} {dt}##. It is the rate of change of angular displacement. It doesn't have to be constant.

In the context of a pendulum, angular frequency, ##\omega##, is not the same thing as ## \frac {d\theta} {dt}##

Point 3

Imagine (or even watch!) a pendulum. Do you think ##\frac {d\theta} {dt}## is constant during SHM? Does this help you answer the original question?
 
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Steve4Physics said:
Point 1

For simple harmonic motion (SHM):
The standard equation for the period of a simple pendulum is ##T = 2\pi \sqrt \frac L g##.
The standard equation for the period of a mass (m) oscillating on a spring (spring constant k) is ##T = 2\pi \sqrt\frac m k##

You seem to be mixing these equations together! By accident, this may give a sensible answer - but it is incorrect to do this.

Point 2

Angular frequency and angular speed are not the same thing, though the same symbol, ##\omega##, is often used for both. This causes confusion!

In the context of SHM, angular frequency is given by ##\omega = \frac {2\pi} {T}## where T is the period, Since T is constant for SHM, ##\omega## is constant.

In the context of a changing angle (e.g. circular motion), angular speed is given by ##\omega = \frac {d\theta} {dt}##. It is the rate of change of angular displacement. It doesn't have to be constant.

In the context of a pendulum, angular frequency, ##\omega##, is not the same thing as ## \frac {d\theta} {dt}##

Point 3

Imagine (or even watch!) a pendulum. Do you think ##\frac {d\theta} {dt}## is constant during SHM? Does this help you answer the original question?
Thank you. I got it.
 

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