Equation of motion of a dampened pendulum

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The discussion revolves around the equation of motion for a dampened pendulum, specifically focusing on a pendulum with a mass of 1 kg and a damping force due to air resistance. Participants are tasked with deriving the equation of motion and calculating the fractional decrease in amplitude over a period of 2 hours.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the equation of motion, expressing it in terms of angular displacement and damping factors. There are attempts to manipulate the equation into a quadratic form and explore solutions involving complex numbers. Some participants express uncertainty about proceeding with calculations due to missing values, particularly the length of the pendulum.

Discussion Status

Participants have made progress in deriving the equation of motion and are exploring different forms of the solution. There is an ongoing dialogue about how to evaluate the solution at a specific time, with some guidance provided on determining constants based on initial conditions. However, there is no explicit consensus on how to proceed with the calculation of the fractional decrease in amplitude.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific values, such as the length of the pendulum, which affects their ability to complete the calculations. There is also mention of using initial conditions to determine constants in the solution, which is a point of confusion for some participants.

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Homework Statement



Hi, I have the following question...

A pendulum consisting of a mass of 1kg is suspended from a string of length L. Air resistance causes a damping force of bv where b = 10-3 N/m

1) Derive and solve the equation of motion
2) Calculate the fractional decrease in amplitude of the pendulum oscillations if the pendulum is operated for 2 hours.

Homework Equations



F=ma
F=-kx
x(t)=A0eαt

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I have the derivation handled...

F=ma=-kx-bv
ma+bv+kx=0
m(d2x/dt2)+b(dx/dt)+kx=0
d2x/dt2+(b/m)(dx/dt)+(k/m)x=0

As this is a pendulum, I know x=Lsinθ and for small θ sinθ≈θ so...

d2θ/dt2+(b/m)(dθ/dt)+(k/m)θ=0

I also know that k=mg/L so...

d2θ/dt2+(b/m)(dθ/dt)+(g/L)θ=0

Therefore, I get the equation of motion for the dampened pendulum to be:

d2θ/dt2+(b/m)(dθ/dt)+(g/L)θ=0

Now to solve the equation, I can turn it into a quadratic:

α=(-(b/m)±(√(b2/m2)-(4g/L))/2

I can tidy this up a little, so...

α=-(b/2m)±(√(b2/2m2)-(4g/L))

I know that √g/L = ω so and -√g/L = iω which I can take out as a factor so and tidy up the fraction inside the radical, so...

α=-(b/2m)±iω√1-(b2L/2)

I also know that I can let ϑ=ω√1-(b2/4m2ω2) so...

α=-(b/2m)±iϑ

I am assuming that this is the equation solved as I don't have a value for L and so can't go any further (can I?)

As for calculating the fractional decrease, if I sub this back into the equation:

x(t)=A0eαt I get...

x(t)=A0e(-b/2m)t+eiϑt

But I really don't know where to go from here, if, if anywhere?

Do I simply rearrange the first part so...

x(t)/A0=e-18/5 so...

x(t)/A0=0.0273

Any help gratefully received!
 
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Physics Dad said:

Homework Statement



Hi, I have the following question...

A pendulum consisting of a mass of 1kg is suspended from a string of length L. Air resistance causes a damping force of bv where b = 10-3 N/m

1) Derive and solve the equation of motion
2) Calculate the fractional decrease in amplitude of the pendulum oscillations if the pendulum is operated for 2 hours.

Homework Equations



F=ma
F=-kx
x(t)=A0eαt

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I have the derivation handled...

F=ma=-kx-bv
ma+bv+kx=0
m(d2x/dt2)+b(dx/dt)+kx=0
d2x/dt2+(b/m)(dx/dt)+(k/m)x=0

As this is a pendulum, I know x=Lsinθ and for small θ sinθ≈θ so...

d2θ/dt2+(b/m)(dθ/dt)+(k/m)θ=0

I also know that k=mg/L so...

d2θ/dt2+(b/m)(dθ/dt)+(g/L)θ=0

Therefore, I get the equation of motion for the dampened pendulum to be:

d2θ/dt2+(b/m)(dθ/dt)+(g/L)θ=0

Now to solve the equation, I can turn it into a quadratic:

α=(-(b/m)±(√(b2/m2)-(4g/L))/2

I can tidy this up a little, so...

α=-(b/2m)±(√(b2/2m2)-(4g/L))

I know that √g/L = ω so and -√g/L = iω which I can take out as a factor so and tidy up the fraction inside the radical, so...

α=-(b/2m)±iω√1-(b2L/2)

I also know that I can let ϑ=ω√1-(b2/4m2ω2) so...

α=-(b/2m)±iϑ

I am assuming that this is the equation solved as I don't have a value for L and so can't go any further (can I?)

As for calculating the fractional decrease, if I sub this back into the equation:

x(t)=A0eαt I get...

x(t)=A0e(-b/2m)t+eiϑt

But I really don't know where to go from here, if, if anywhere?

Do I simply rearrange the first part so...

x(t)/A0=e-18/5 so...

x(t)/A0=0.0273

Any help gratefully received!

You can write the solution either as
$$x = A_1 e^{-rt}e^{i st} + A_2 e^{-rt} e^{-ist}, $$
or as
$$x = B_1 e^{-rt} \cos(st) + B_2 e^{-rt} \sin(st),$$
where ##r## and ##s## are related to your constants ##m, k, b##. If you choose the second form you just need to determine the constants ##B_1, B_2##, which you can do from the initial conditions (position and velocity at ##t = 0##).
 
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thanks for that,

I kind of get what you're saying, using the second equation, when t=0, x=B1

I am still confused as to what to do when t=7200 though
 
Physics Dad said:
thanks for that,

I kind of get what you're saying, using the second equation, when t=0, x=B1

I am still confused as to what to do when t=7200 though
You need to use one more piece of information in order to determine the constant ##B_2##. For example, if the pendulum bob is released at zero velocity from initial position ##x_0## then you have ##x(0) = x_0## and ##\dot{x}(0) = 0##. From those two conditions you can get both ##B_1## and ##B_2## in terms of ##x_0, r,s##.

Then, you just need to plug in ##t = 7200## into your formula for ##x(t)## and evaluate it.
 
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