Show a second angular speed given a reduced radius

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The problem involves a particle moving in a horizontal circle, initially at a radius of 0.22 m with an angular speed of 0.55 rad/s. The radius is then reduced to 0.15 m, and the task is to determine the new angular speed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the relationship between radius and angular speed but expresses uncertainty about the role of acceleration and the relevance of kinematic equations. They also question the interpretation of "speed" in the context of the problem.
  • One participant suggests using the conservation of angular momentum as a potential approach to the problem.
  • Another participant elaborates on the conservation of angular momentum, providing a mathematical formulation and checking the calculations for consistency.

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Participants note the lack of information regarding time or angular displacement, which complicates the analysis of acceleration. There is also a mention of the precision of the given values affecting the calculations.

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Homework Statement



A particle on a string at radius r=0.22m is moving in a (horizontal) circle with angular speed \omega =0.55 rad/s. The string is shortened to 0.15m. Show that the new angular speed is 1.18rad/s

Homework Equations



v = r\omega
a = \omega^{2}r
a = r\alpha
\omega^{2}_f = \omega^{2}_{i} + 2 \theta\alpha

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay. At first I thought this is really simple, which means I'm missing something. I assumed that there was no acceleration, and velocity was constant, but that can't be the case.

I tried r_{i} * \omega_{i} = 0.121
and then tried
r_{f} * \omega_{f} = 0.177

Which clearly isn't right for constant velocity - there must be acceleration, but I don't know over what period the acceleration occurs. I've looked at the kinematics equations for angular motion, but they either involve time or theta, variables not mentioned.

I know it says speed, but I'm presuming it means acceleration - and vectors aren't really relevant in this case, anyway, since there's no change of direction.

The only thing I can think is that we're supposed to work backwards, knowing that the acceleration is from 0.55 to 1.18 rad, but I don't know how to work that out in rad/s^{2}, because that involves time.

I just want a way to approach the problem. We're studying moments of inertia mainly, I'm also thinking I might just be looking at this the wrong way, but I'm not sure. Any guidance would be appreciated - I really want to have a clear understanding from my own workings.
 
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littlemayhem said:
I just want a way to approach the problem.
Try the conservation of angular momentum.
 
Thank you!

Okay:

L = r x p = r p sin \theta where sin 90 = 1 so

L = rp & p=mv so

L = rmv and v = \omegar so

L = r^{2}m\omega

if we equate {r^{2}m\omega}_{initial} and {r^{2}m\omega}_{final} and cancel the mass (which stays the same), we get

r^{2}_i * \omega_i = r^{2}_f * \omega_f

with the values included, we have

0.22 * 0.22 * 0.55 = 0.15 * 0.15 * 1.18

which equal 0.02662 and 0.02655 respectively.

I suppose that the small difference is attributable to the fact that the initial values were given only to two decimal places, and thus that my calculation is correct?
 
Nice work. Looks good to me.
\omega _f = \omega _i \frac{{r_i^2 }}{{r_f^2 }} = 0.55\frac{{0.22^2 }}{{0.15^2 }} = 1.18{\rm{rad}} \cdot {\rm{s}}^{ - 1}
 

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