Show by induction that (2n-1) /(2n) <= 1/(3n+1) for all n

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The problem involves proving by induction that the expression \((2n-1)!/(2n)! \leq 1/(3n+1)\) holds for all natural numbers \(n\). The original poster presents an attempt involving a squared expression and mentions confusion regarding the problem statement.

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  • Participants discuss specific cases for \(n=1,2,3\) to evaluate the validity of the statement and question the correctness of the problem as stated. There are attempts to clarify the requirements of the induction proof and the implications of squaring the left side of the inequality.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some participants have suggested alternative expressions to prove and have shared their approaches, while others have pointed out potential errors in calculations.

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There are indications that the original problem may have been misunderstood, and participants are actively working to clarify the requirements and assumptions involved in the proof. The necessity of induction is emphasized, and there is a focus on ensuring the correctness of the mathematical expressions used.

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Show by induction that (2n-1)!/(2n)! <= 1/(3n+1) for all n

Homework Statement



Show by induction that (\frac{1\cdot3\cdot5\cdot\cdot\cdot(2n-1)}{2\cdot4\cdot6\cdot\cdot\cdot2n})^2 \leq\frac{1}{3n+1} for n=1,2,3, ...

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It might not really be relevant, but I've attached my work. I tried to subprove something by induction to help my principal induction, but I got something that was harder than the original.

P.S. I tried using the Physics forums android app, but I couldn't figure out how to post.
 

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For n=1,2,3 you have 1/2 <= 1/4, 3/8 <= 1/7 and 5/16 <= 1/10 respectively
are you sure that's the problem you're trying to solve?
 
Thanks for your response. By "n=1,2,3,...", the problem statement means the natural numbers. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, induction is mandatory.
 
I understand that, but the statement isn't true for all natural numbers since it isn't true for the first at least 10 of them
 
Of course, I missed something essential! The whole left side is squared. I edited the original post. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
But it still isn't true that ##(3/8)^2 < 1/7 ##
 
brmath said:
But it still isn't true that ##(3/8)^2 < 1/7 ##

(3/8)^2 is less than 1/7.
 
Yiu'll need to prove that: \left( \frac{2n+1}{2n+2} \right) ^2 \leq \frac{3n+1}{3n+4}.

The easiest way to do this is to write out the cross product.
 
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Dick said:
(3/8)^2 is less than 1/7.

Yes, of course; I managed to square 8 and get 16.
 
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dirk_mec1 said:
Yiu'll need to prove that: \left( \frac{2n+1}{2n+2} \right) ^2 \leq \frac{3n+1}{3n+4}.

The easiest way to do this is to write out the cross product.

In case it's not obvious, dirk_mec1's idea it that you can express ##a_{n+1} \le b_{n+1}## as ##a_{n} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} \le b_{n} \frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}##. You know ##a_n \le b_n## by your induction hypothesis. If the ratios follow the same pattern you are done.
 
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Indeed, that is exactly my idea and I've written it out to see it leading to succes :).
 
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Awesome guys, it worked! Thanks!
 

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