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The problem involves showing that the closure of the interior of a closed convex set in a Banach space is the set itself. The original poster attempts to establish this by considering sequences and geometric interpretations related to the interior of the set.

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  • Participants discuss the inclusion of the interior in the set and explore the existence of sequences in the interior converging to points in the set. There are attempts to visualize the problem using geometric concepts, such as an "ice cream cone" analogy.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the use of geometric constructs and sequences. There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of the lines and points involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need to show certain properties of the lines and the interior of the set. There are mentions of specific constraints related to the geometry of the situation, such as the requirement for balls to be contained within the set.

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[SOLVED] Show set is open - technical difficulties

Homework Statement


Let C be a closed convex set in a Banach space with non empty interior. Show that cl(int(C))=C (show that the closure of the interior of C is S itself).

The Attempt at a Solution



Since int(C) is included in C, we have cl(int(C)) \subset cl(C)=C.


For the other inclusion, let x be in C. I'm going to try to find a sequence in int(C) that converges to x. This will prove that C \subset cl(int(C)).

Let y be in int(C) and B(y;r) be a ball centered on y and entirely contained in int(C). Since C is convex, the line d joining y and x is entirely contained in C. If I can show that d\{x} is entirely contained in int(C), then I will have won.

My idea is that not only is d contained in C, but so is the line from any point in B(y;r) to x! The set of all these lines make up a set the form of an ice cream cone where x is the tip and the ball B(y;r) is the ice cream ball.

So, I can either show that this ice cream cone minus {x} is open, or find explicitly for each point of d\{x} an open ball entirely contained in the ice cream cone.

In either case, how do we do that?!?
 
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You can use a little of both. For each point in d/{x}, use the ice cream cone to show it has a ball around it in C, so is in int(C).
 
I really don't see how! What would be the first step?
 
How about considering s sequence of points along the axis of the cone, the line connecting y and x?
 
d/{x} is the set of points tx+(1-t)y with 0<=t<1. Label these points p(t). Let r be the radius of a ball B centered at y and contained in C. Then there is a ball B(t) of radius r(t) around p(t) that's contained in C. Because for any point z in B(t), consider the line passing through x and z. One convenient way to parameterize this is as:

q(s) = p(s) + \frac{1-s}{1-t} (z-p(t))

Then:

||y-q(0)|| = ||p(0)-q(0)|| = ||\frac{1}{1-t} (z-p(t))|| &lt; \frac{r(t)}{1-t}

So we can pick r(t) so that q(0) lies in B, and so z must be in C.
 
Dick said:
How about considering s sequence of points along the axis of the cone, the line connecting y and x?

This is the idea, but we need to show first that the axis of the cone d\{x} is indeed in the interior of C.


StatusX said:
d/{x} is the set of points tx+(1-t)y with 0<=t<1. Label these points p(t). Let r be the radius of a ball B centered at y and contained in C. Then there is a ball B(t) of radius r(t) around p(t) that's contained in C. Because for any point z in B(t), consider the line passing through x and z. One convenient way to parameterize this is as:

q(s) = p(s) + \frac{1-s}{1-t} (z-p(t))

Then:

||y-q(0)|| = ||p(0)-q(0)|| = ||\frac{1}{1-t} (z-p(t))|| &lt; \frac{r(t)}{1-t}

So we can pick r(t) so that q(0) lies in B, and so z must be in C.

I understand what you did but not quite how you did it. Specifically, how did you create that line q(s)? What were your guiding principles for coming up with this formula?
 
q(s) is just the line connecting x and z. Since z is close to p(t), this line should be "close" to p(s) (the line connecting x and p(t)), with the distance scaling with 1-s as you move farther away from x. The formula was written that way with this in mind so it'd be easy to find the actual point on q(s) that's close to p(0)=y.
 

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